Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 9 · 2 years ago

9: Beers and Board Games with Eric Slepak-Cherney

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Eric Slepak-Cherney, co-founder of Beers & Board Games Chicago, joins me to chat all things beer and board gamin’.  

Eric started a community that continues to grow, and in this uncertain time, shares options for games you can still play while social distancing. Highlights of this episode include turning ideas into action, the benefits of being inclusive, and some of the best board game and beer pairings out there.

Welcome to good people, cool things, the podcast featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. I'm your host, Joe. We held and today's guest is Eric Sleepack Churney, cofounder of Beers and board Game Chicago. Eric and I go way back and in fact grew up mere blocks away from each other, and we both share a fondness for Beers and board games. But while I just generally enjoy them from the comfort of my home, Eric went out and did something a lot more exciting, starting a community that continues growing. We talked about turning ideas into action, the benefits of being inclusive and some of the best board game and beer pairings out there. Let's dive on in Eric. Since the last time we chatted, things of things have taken a turn just a little bit, and board games in person probably not the best way to practice social distancing, but I am very intrigued by what you're doing as an alternative, so let's hop in. How is board games and beer thriving virtually in this new environment? Yeah, so wildly enough. You know, right after your call was I think that Thursday we had our last in person beer and board games before. Things have just, at least here in the states, really accelerated and you know we have this following and understanding that you know this time can be a little isolating for some people. We wanted to keep on doing what we've been doing and try at least to do that in a different way that was tenable and I figured, you know, this is probably even more accessible to your audience, who might not all be based in Chicago, although I know you do heavy geo targeting there, so even the people who are outside of Chicago now can get in on the action. So I just wanted to drop whatever small wisdoms of Pearls of wisdom that I've gained over the last couple weeks in terms of things that you can be doing to break up sort of the monotony of whatever else is going on. I love it. I love it. I've been trying to do the same, but am always open to more ideas. I know last weekend my sister and parents and I all got on a call and tried to do the New York Times Crossword together. I say try it, we did. We finish that wow, which, yeah, with surprisingly little cheating, which I think is certainly a record for me and probably, I would say, most people, that's incredible, especially because you're doing it online. Then said it to cheat is just like right there, you know. Oh yeah, it was very tempting for me at least. I can't speak for the rest of my family, but there were a couple times where'd pick up my phone I'm like, it's just so easy to just I pen this, but this is why Joey's banned from all trivia in that citty limits. Yeah, no, that's that's awesome. So, yeah, I think so. Think part of this is like the ingenuity that people are having and just kind of like hacking stuff together. You know, of course, now we're all on zoom. They seem to be the only entity that is doing well in the midst of this crisis, and so it actually has a lot of good tools for making this, making games happen. If you have the paid version, you can use the breakout room functions as for team conversations. So there's a lot of good team games that lend themselves to that. The the game just one, if you've ever if you've ever played that one. It's a great party game that I highly recommend and is very easy to play. Over online. Basically the premise of the game is you are given a word and every two every round you are playing collectively as a group, there is one guesser and everyone else are going to be clue givers for that for that guesser. So what the guess or does is they have a word that they're not allowed to see but everyone else can, and then everyone else in turn is going to write down a one word clue for the guesser in order to help with them get to guess that word. So before the guess or is allowed to be the clues, everyone else is going to compare. There's anyone who wrote duplicate clues? There's cancel out and they have to erase it so that the person can't see it. So if you're playing with like, you know, eight people and there so they're supposed to be seven clue givers. You know,...

...two of those words might cancel out and then you're left with four or five words and not going to do the math. I don't need to prove that I can do the math, but it's it's a ton of fun. You know, it plays really well with every group. It's like super accessible and there's not a lot of downtime, which is awesome. You know, I think that that can kill a lot of games for people, is just having to wait in between stuff. So what you're doing, what you can do is, you know, this is a game that exists in in physical form, but it's really easy to emulate this online. You can get the words by using a random word generator effect, if you go to random word generatorcom disclaimer. They are not paying me for that. I don't know that they generate any revenue, just just words their peer man, they're just pure. So you can do that over zoom. Basically you'll put you can put the guesser in a breakout room, kind of quarantine them within the quarantine. Then you all write down and share your clues, figure out which one stick around and then, when you're ready, let the person back in and now they can guess the word has or have you ever run across a situation where everyone has duplicated words, like if you have eight people, you have four sets of duplicate words and then there was no clue? I don't think I've ever had that happen. I've had the situation where we played with like seven or eight people and there was one word left standing, which is almost like more hilarious, because if there's like no clue, like you know you're just kind of screwed, but if there's like one clue, like you're just taking a wild stab at the dark and then seeing like how of face they were. And then usually what we'll do after that is like we'll show them like Oh, if you had this word with, that of helped, and it's really funny, like you'll like a great thing that happens in this game is they're sort of like a Meta evolves of like who's the person who's going to really write obvious clues or who's going to go like esoteric in this like really weird direction. So yeah, that is just one that is like one of my favorite party games of play in person and it's one that I think doesn't lose a lot online, doesn't need a lot of additional components or anything. So I think that's that ones that's like a great kind of like homebrew adaptation. Love it, love it. Yeah, another one that another like very Popular Party game that I think is being adapted with the tools that were using in this current situation. So a lot of people are using slack for work, and probably more now that we're all working remotely. Slack has an APP version built in of the Popular Party Game Code Names. A lot of people have played this one before. It's two teams again, it's it's word based where each team has a clue giver and then everyone else is trying to guess the words. So there's actually an APP that someone built for slack that allows you to play that. So that one is another one I had to recommend. You know, if it's a game that you've really enjoyed playing in person, there's a way to do it online. Keep these traditions going even in the midst of a rapidly changing, devolving world. I like that. I didn't know there was a little application on slack for that and I look forward to continuing to have people guess the assassin on my first clue. Always, always happens. You know, it's part of life. Yeah, I it's always sad to see, but happens, happens regularly. Yeah, another thing that has been really good for making the transition over. You know, I'll mark this one with an asterisk because it's not quite a tabletop game, but it's not quite a video game either, and that's the the JACKBOX party packs. Yeah, with like quip, last draw full, they have. They have a ton of games that come on these. So that one's great because, like what you can basically do is set up your zoom. Only one person needs to have the game itself and they can just share their screen and then everyone else can just enter the game using the URL that's given for them. So that's another great way to get a lot of people involved. Y'All can even maybe split the cost among the Games and then, you know, you got hours of fun built in right there. Yes, I would wholeheartedly second Jack Box and can confirm it also works on Skype, if you if people are opposed to zoom for whatever reason, and I would imagine works on things like Google hangouts. I think you can screen shore on that. I'm not...

...yeah, I'm not as as into the hangouts, but yeah, I easily a entertainable, entertainable. That's an award, is it not? Yes, N entertaining after moon or evening or, yeahday even, because there is a good varide. I think we're up to six Jack boxes now that come with five games. So I think my my personal favorite going to says Jack box three where you get equipped lash guestspionage, which is I think, I think probably the one of the easiest ones for people that haven't done a jackbox before, just because it's okay, it's pretty simple in terms of one person picks a percentage. So it's like the percentage of people that have ever Irish goodbye at a party or something like that. And Yeah, one person picks the percentage. Everyone else picks if they think the actual numbers higher or lower. Yeah, just, yeah, super simple, like you don't need to really know Trivia. You're kind of just guessing. But then there's also the murder Trivia Party, which I love. Trivia Murder Party. I I love it too, but it's I found it is highly divisive. Some people ate and others love it and I don't know if there's a middle ground. But since we both love it, we're given in our stamp of approval. Yeah, it's fun. It's weird. It's like if saw met like Trivia. I don't know. I guess there is some Trivia in instar or like some like because if you think about it, what's his face? The the guy, the puppet and and saw. He's kind of like the world's worst trivia host. So yeah, that one can be super frustrating, though, because I remember I played that last time and like I got the first question wrong and as the penalty you have to basically, like air quotes, cut off your finger, which just means that, you know, in this multiple choice trivia guessing game, you lose one of the letters permanently, which just sucks because then like the right answer keeps being that letter and you're like, I know this, I should be winning, I can't. But it's like short and merciful enough that like, even if something frustrating that like that happens to you, it's not a huge deal. So yeah, Jack box rate. And then actually, right before this called I had someone tell me about House party. Do you know about this APP yes, my sister just invite am to it as well. I've not really got a chance to poke around it yet, but I it's sounds very intriguing. Yeah, apparently Gen z's all over this and we're just old millennial showing up lads to the party tip. But basically, the way someone described it to me is it's zoom plus games built in. So I recommend people checking that out. Without having checked it out yet, myself, but it sounds like things that are of people's alleys. And then just the like last thing I wanted to mention in terms of like options for for people the game. If you want to do something a little more like heavy on the strategic side, there are some great places online where you can do that for free or relatively cheap. To that, I want to shed out our board game arena dotnet, and you could tie like the peninsula dot de and those are places. Those are two websites where they've made like, admittedly kind of low fide but still licensed versions of games that you can play online. So if you're into like heavyr strategic stuff, kind of the stuff that we talked about in the first half, some of those games you can find them there. There's also table Topia and tabletop simulator, which are both available on steam, and both of those games are basically sandbox engines where you're given the physical pieces to a game and you manipuly manipulated in the same way that you would in person, but you have to do online. So the caveat to that is no one is going to be there to enforce the rules besides the people at the virtual table. So you know a little more, a little more labor there, but you know, a really good way to kind of control that itch in terms of in terms of gaming. And you know, while you're doing that you can have your video conferencing APP of choice open. Another really good feature for like communicating while you're playing games discord, which is an APP people use mostly for gaming servers, but it allows you to do voice chat. So you can create, like you know,...

...we've done. We've actually done this for being more games. We've created a discord server and we have rooms that we've called tables, though, when you have a game, you can go into the discord sure, this discord server set at a digital table and actually get to talk to one another. And then, lastly, something that's been increasingly more popular and I think is good for these times are just straight up digital ports of games. So some of the ones just to throw out there, take it to ride, carcosame, moords of water, deep splendor, role for the galaxy, terraforming Mars. Those are all pretty popular games that have really good digital courts. So if you just want to kind of play a video game but a board game at the same time, you got those and most, if not all those. I believe support online play, so again you can get together with some friends and play the Games you know and love. Fantastic. I've been inspired to go act to ticket to ride. I not that I know that I ever really like, you know, repulsed it, but it's just been a couple months that I've played it. But I also had recently download it, recently downloaded. There we go, the railroad tycoon to platinum addition from two thousand and four. Yeah, building trains in the s made me want to play a ticket to ride and yeah, it's just I don't know what it is. I've always liked been in two trains. Comes the tank engine probably having a big impact on that, but just the the idea of like connecting different places across the world is very entertaining. Yeah, it's very satisfying. The there is there is an actual board game which is basically like railroad tycoon. Board game of FID. The name is escaping me, of course, but I'll follow up with you on that so you can get all of your railroad connecting picks. Yes, more please, because really, really all I have in person outside of Board Games is the the sad tree that goes or the said train that goes around the base of the Christmas tree way until the winter drags me. Yes, we're love it. Maybe I can pull it out and just see how like far across the room I can stretch it, although it would immediately yourself. Please don't do that to yourself, you know. I that's it wouldn't be very far. would be like half of a dining room probably, but I do remember. This is an extreme tangent, but back in the early days of the company that I currently work at, we got to test different bluetooth products for their annual awards and one of them was a train that you could control like the sounds and lights and it's start and stop motions and everything from your smartphone, which I thought was very cool. Even in retrospect it's it's really not that much different from flipping a switch or anything, but I was just like, Hey, look at me from the other room and now I just started this train and it was very entertaining and we had to have it hanging off the largest table in our office because the track was too big. But so so certainly some dangerous curves. If I was actually on that train, I'd be a little fearful that I'm taking a curve it, I don't know, twelve miles an hour and see. If I had access to that, I would have gotten full bin and just been like, you're failing in control and push the button and it's like me with roller coaster tycoon. Just, yeah, that shut a loot roller coaster. I'll send it at ninety miles an hour and Oh God, or flying railroad, railroad tycoon, just like sending people to their certain death. It's the very entertaining. Yeah, masochism, it's great. It's really, really alarming. How I enjoyed it. They did them. They're not putting yourself on the roller coaster were, although I don't think I've ever gotten to the level of like I'm sure you've seen some people with the SIMS, were they'll give them like a one by two square room and yeah, like no resources or anything, and just see them slowly descend into madness, which I've never gotten the urge to do that. So a light sight speaking you, you're you're saying the Sims remind me of an important addendum for my the Info About House party. You are looking for. The House party APP one word. Not The House party game, which is basically Horny sins. So yeah, don't download that. Very good at Dundam, very good at Dendam. Apologies...

...if anyone has downloaded it already since six minutes ago. I appology, my apologies. My dms are open for all of your hate mail. I look forward to reading it on a future episode. Good Times. We're going to get through it and we've got lots of great online resources. So appreciate you sharing all of these. Yeah, absolutely, and one last thing I'm going to I'm going to plug here. So one thing I am going to be doing is I am actually going to be offering up my services to get people set up in these games. So if any of these options sound cool to you but you want a little help or you want a little more, you know, sort of hand on guidance, any of these like digital games that you want someone to teach you how to play, I'm happy to lend my experience to that. And at the same time I'm going to try to do something good for the people in our community who are going through some hard times right now. So I'm going to make make a list available. It's going to be on my pin post and twitter in just a minute here and I'll you know. You can got in the show notes, but basically there's a list. I have a people in Chicago here who are seeking some assistance to get through to get through this covid crisis. If you show me a receipt that you donated to one of these people on Ben Mo or cash APP, one of those, then I will lend my services to teaching you a game online. So I'll put my information in the notes where it's available, or you can find me on twitter or instagram. Twitter it's at Eric Sleep Pack. INSTAGRAM BE SLEEP PACK. Just hit me up, send me a message and let's get to gaming. Boom, get to gaming. That's awesome. Yeah, it's really cool to see a lot of a different resources coming out for helping people that have been obviously very heavily impacted by all of the various businesses shutting down or having to have at least severely reduced hours. And for my Austin people there's plenty of great resources as well. I'll give a couple plugs. I atx FIICOM has a really good sort of roundup of just different ways you can support the service industry through, again, like through cash APP, Venmo paypal, writing a check and sending a pigeon, because I think pigeons are fine to continue traveling. And then the Austin Acom has lots of terrific reefsources, both from donating perspective and just things that are doing, like virtual tool tours. I know in Chicago the art institute has a really good virtual kind of museum experience that you can check out, and it's nice ways to kind of try and present some sense of normalcy throughout all of this. So go check them all out. Yeah, we gotta, we got to be there for each other in these tough times. Together we'll get through it, just together, being six feet apart. So please do that. Yes, yes, love it all right. Well, Eric, thank you for all of these extra additions and for one else listening. Let's let's get back to the episode that we had planned for this. So, once this is all said, how people can get back to their bare board games. Boom, talk about how how beer and board games shytown came together. What was the inspiration for it? Started back in two thousand and seventeen. Me and a couple of friends, shout out to Greg and Brent. We kind of just got in this rhythm of going to check out different breweries across Chicago. Chicago is definitely a very friendly city to the brewery scene. I'm sure it's got to be the same way in Austin, but it does seem like they're like kind of popping up at like starbucks level rates these days. Actually did my research and double checked this morning. There are seventy six breweries incorporated in Chicago. So that gives you a gas kind of an idea of sort of the bountiful Corner Copia of Beers that we have available to us here in the city. And a lot of them happen to have like just awesome hanging out spaces. So we enjoyed doing that. We enjoyed playing board games, usually like, you know, longer strategic ones that like could easily take up a few afternoon and a couple beers. So we started going out to different breweries...

...playing, bringing our games playing there and it was a ton of fun and we're like, you know what, someone else probably would enjoy doing this. So, you know, we set up a first of facebook group and then pivoted over to a meet up. There was definitely like, you know, a little bit of like some learning curve and and transition as we did it. So we kind of went from doing it at all kinds of different breweries to finding a lovely spot in the loving square neighborhood navigator tap room. Shout out to them. They have become our regular home base, which, you know, we discovered it was much easier to have like a consistent time and place to get people. But we still do a like once a month meeting at a different brewery somewhere across the city. Called that our road show event, and you know we are like getting out thirty to forty people at a time. It's a good mix of like regulars and new bees coming in and you know it's an emphasis on sort of like socializing, hanging out, building community, all while we're playing board games and knocking back tasty taste beers. Lovely. Do you remember the game you were playing when you were like wait, this could be something bigger than just three of US hanging out and drinking beers? Oooh, that's a good one. I remember the first game we played at like one of these events was dead of winter. It's a survey. It's a cooperative survivalist game where you and a bunch of friends are hoarding off Gaggles of zombies. It's also like really sneaky because there could be a traitor in your group. So you have to watch out if you think someone is not like pulling their share, maybe taking it a little too easy on the zombies. So I just remember like our first experience of having that like just, you know, like chilling at this bar, like hanging out and like accusing each other of trying to murder the rest of us. So you know, when you when you start, they're only good things happen, and I I've really enjoyed the community aspects that you touched on a little bit of people maybe who probably, in a lot of cases, haven't played these games before and are getting to both try a new game and perhaps a new drink as well, which is always when when all around, I imagine this has happened before, were you'll have just strangers coming up and kind of joining in the festivities. Yeah, so, yeah, it's interesting. Like I would say that there's definitely like three let's say, like for kind of for kind of people who show but our events. One is, you know, people who like our social and like, you know, there for the beer curious about games and we kind of we kind of get them in and Hook them in deep. You know. Then there's people who are like more season board gamers but, you know, want another venue to play it. Maybe they want somewhere that's a little more it's a little more social. You know, one of the like really crazy things about Chicago that I like and continuously amazed as like how deep this like gaming rabbit hole goes and like there are meet up groups and like discord channels and black channels and facebook groups. There's like all these like different stuff communities of like people who enjoy playing games and like it's crazy that we're not like more coordinated. You know, I think that's like kind of kind of one of my goals of doing this, as I've gotten to meet other people who organize these kinds of events and definitely want to like, you know, cross pollinate a little more. So that is the a so that's like the second group, like the the game people. Then there's kind of like, you know, the hybrid people who are there for a little bit of each that probably like speaks more to like, you know, the kind of person that I am, and then we also just get like a lot of people who are like new in town or, you know, they're just trying to get out more like maybe, you know, they've like started a start a new job or like have like more free time now, so they're just getting ap to check out things. That kind of like I don't know what any of this is, but I'm going to go check it out, and it's been really great to that too. So excellent, excellent. Do you typically play games that you have already played before, or...

...have you impromptu learned some on the spot during these events too? Yeah, you know, like that man like you've you've really really struck a nerve here, Joey, but I'm going for I have a purse, I have a personal goal in in two thousand and twenty to play as view new games as possible. I'm just becoming a carmudgene hermit who is like really tired of like learning new rules. I'm tired of learning new things period. I just want to be a letty, put my like weird cormogine and stinks aside. Yeah, we do have a lot of like new games and, you know, I think that that's one of the things that like, I am really Hashtag blessed to have all of great organizer Co organizers with me at these events to help me teach rules and learn games. There have been nights where my voice has gone sore from teaching new games. Actually, in December volunteered at pass some plugged it's a penny arcade. You remember the Paircade Webcomic? Yeah, yeah. So, so one of the things that like they've gotten into is conventions and they run like the best gaming conventions in the like on the entire planet. And part of that, like one of the really amazing things they do is for their for their board gaming events, they actually have paid volunteers who like teach people new Games. So that was like a really great experience for me to go and see how it's kind of done on this like huge level. I mean this past bear, the pass some plugged event had like a hundred and fifty thousand people over the course of three days, and so like I was responsible for teaching this section of five games, which ended up being really crazy because, like in the weeks leading up to the convention, this like Chicko section that I was assigned like all the Games that were in my section, like I started hearing getting recommended on podcasts, like they were like people's favorite new games and I just happened to have like all these hot games in my section. So at the end of three days I was like I was exhausted. I I think I'd like I did the math and like I think I taught probably close to a thousand people new Games. So there's definitely an art to like teaching those games and getting the rules down, and you know, that's like a big thing that we that we like pride ourselves and doing. Is because we want to make this as inclusive and approachable as possible. So, you know, I give my speel whenever people show up to an event. Hey, like feel free to jump at a game, like chances are the person next to you is happy to teach you the game and if none of you know the rules, then like come grab one of us, because, yeah, obviously, like you know, I tell people, like no one wants to spend their entire night reading a rule book. I mean that's like how friendships end. You know, I would very much like to see a friendship just go up in flames over reading a sixty page roll. By yeah, I mean like you're you're putting a lot on the line there. It's kind of like people's reading comprehensions, you know, like logical skills. I mean like there are like, you know, some complicated rules and edge cases that like literally will lead to verbal arguments, and I am against that. I am I am putting my foot down. I am anti friend destroying rules arguments. Yes, we need we need more people like that. Seems like I've met a lot of pro destroying friendships folks. It's it's really weird. Yeah, like, you know, more power to them, I guess, but no thanks, I suppose, says. So of the packs unplugged games that you taught, did you have a favorite out of the bunch? There were like a lot of a lot of really interesting ones. I think my personal favorite of the ones that I ended up teaching was this game called off shore. It was a game about drilling for oil and it was like designed by a Norwegian person who did like all of this research about oil drilling and it had this like really fun aspect of it. We're like you could convince someone to go open up an oil platform, but like one person would be in charge of doing the drilling, which was essentially just like kind of a push your luck sort of thing, where you reach into...

...a bag and pull out these piles and like the more tiles you pull out out, that represented how deep you were drilling. So you would get, you know, more oil, obviously if you did that, but it was also greater chance that your drill would just explode. So it was really funny to watch people like go into business with someone who is just like completely, like insane and willing to like throw it all away. I said, a sound very entertaining. We're I'm certainly making a list at the end of this conversation to well, I guess I'm doing the opposite of you and learning more new games in two thousand and twenty. Yeah, I mean I really like my like my weird predilections aside, like I've I love learning new games in general. You know, I have been I haven't personally like looking forward to playing stuff like a little more in depth than getting to appreciate some of the nuances. You know, it's kind of like it's kind of like listening to music, right, like you discover a new album and the more you listen to it, the more you kind of like, you know, unearthed little details that you hear in the background that you didn't you didn't hear the first time and give me really the the same way with games, because I think that that is kind of that's kind of like core at like what drives that enjoyment for games is like you're kind of like putting this puzzle together and it really unlocks just like some weird primal part of your brain. That's very satisfying. Yeah, I like the music analogy. I recently discovered Rick Bianto, who is a think like I'm music producer, but just knows a ton about music and has access to all these master recordings where he can break down individual parts of a song. And Yeah, have recently learned things like in all the small things by blanquin eighty two, there's a synthesizer in the chorus which I had never noticed before, and in more than a feeling by Boston, during the guitar sort of riff before the chorus, like the bear when part, there's also a vocal layered on top of it and I always just thought it was a guitar and I was like look at that, look at that, just to hear there's so much. God, is that the guy who I watched this video. I don't know if it's him or maybe someone who does a similar thing, but he like kind of broke down bad guy by billy eilish and was like this is why this song is a pop masterpiece. Like yeah, all right, I haven't seen that one, but yeah, I think it's probably. He has a series. It's called what makes this song great, so it's quite possible. Okay, I think it's that guy approved. Yes, excellent, happy for to get the approval. Yeah, yeah, my endorsement. Have you found with certain aims that after I don't know, more than two or three beers, they become difficult and or unplayable because of the rising alcohol levels and your body? You know, it's yes, and it's very interesting. One of the like added parts of organizing this. You know, at these events I I tend to watch, you know, how much I'm drinking and try to stay havnistant for the sake of those around me who will be exposed to me. But you know, sometimes I will get to see people who are maybe lesson control try and learn a very complicated game when they're three sheheets to the wind, and I try to do some like gentle steering I'm like, Oh, you know, you're about to play a threehour game about economic management. Maybe you want to play this game where you just yell and point at each other, because I think that that's more in your wheel house right now. And I've had I've had people like actively like challenge me, like not usually people who show up for the event, but like people who happen to be at the bar when the event is going on and and they like well, like hey, can you teach this this game? And they'll just be like completely housed in, like and they're like I bet you, I bet you hate teaching us, and I'm just like no, you're not. I love being L it is like like part of me is just like really up for the challenge. You know. It's like can I break this down into something really simple enough that even a person...

...who has the cogon the current cognitive ability of a toddler to to understand? That is yeah, that is a good challenge. I don't know if I'd have the patience for it. So Kudos to you. And as far as the amount of people that come to this, have you ever had a game where everyone was playing the same game at once? Because I was playing. I think it was the Game Linky, and noticed on the box that it set it's for two hundred and thirty players, and that is the most I have seen in any kind of board game as far as number of players go, and was wondering if there's anything, anything more out there for for even more people than thirty. Yeah, definitely, this is I want to let's say that like this is definitely like sort of a board game fetish, I think, is to like see how many people you can cram into. Wow, I made a sound way worse than it did, but they answer your question is yes. So one of the things that like we're trying to do. There's there's a like local board game charity convention here in Chicago called the Gaming Hooplah. Great event for anyone who's in the Chicago area. All the proceeds go to supporting children's cancer center. We want to try to organize an event. They're for a game called welcome to welcome to your perfect neighborhood, which I recently found out is one of Daniel radcliff's favorite games. So if my endorsement doesn't mean thing to you, Sureley Harry Potter's mouth, but essentially what the game is. It puts you in the position of a blueprint, of a of an architect who's making a blueprint of a one thousand nine hundred and fifty suburb, which you get by like choosing from a series of cards, and you're trying to fill in these little houses on your street and optimize the configuration, and it's kind of kind of like a bing got a bingo element to it in that, like, you know, everyone is get like three cars that they can choose from and then they're writing on their own personal player, player, she eat, and so the box blist up to ninety nine people, which even of in and of itself, like is also like kind of an artificial cat because as long as you can get enough people in a room and get like a screen where you can show the cards, you can like just keep adding people to the game. So I kind of want to go for that and and see if we can like break the hundred, the hundred barrier mark. You know, I don't know if that is like a world record. I don't know if this is like the landspeed barrier that we're trying to break, but that's definitely my hashtag goals for two thousand and twenty. I'd say it's about on par with the landspeed barrier. I would maybe have a Guinness Representative on hand just in case. Yeah, yeah, I mean I usually do like anything I'm doing, because you never know, it's at the same one or do you have a new person come out every time? A new person every time? You can't get to tummy with them, otherwise it throws your credibility into the tank. So that's fair. That's fair, and I'm sure they often don't leave disappointed with no new record breaks. No, I mean they're. I feel like that job has got to be like awesome and like interesting, right, like, because there's like, as the the early two thousand s box Guinness Roll Records TV show demonstrated, the wide depth of records that they assessed are just fascinating. So like you could go from watching the world's fastest rapper to like most Tarantula's worn on head and variety of the Spepe of life. Right. So that really is that's my thoughts. I wonder. I wonder what. Now we're getting down a Guinness Rabbit Hole, which is always good, but I wonder how many in a day they do or if it's like they you know, they booked the whole day for one because they're like this could take a wow. And like do they get endless opportunities? Like if someone there's there's one record, which I believe has been broken since then, but a tech reporter that I worked with way back in the day shout out Katie Lynn and all. She's set a record for most high fives in one minute and just had like a bunch of people standing with their hands out and I was like, do you just get the one opportunity or are you a you know she was a second too slow. Would you be able to hydrate a little? Have some Lemonlon Gatorade?...

All the electrolytes. You know it. It's EMINEM lose yourself rules. You get one shot. Love, love in the early two thousand references. You know, that's it. It is both a cultural waste land and the environment I was forged in, like like the cave for the cave that Bait came out of. That's an early ten reference. So a little off brand, but I hope everyone is okay with it. I mean, I'll allow it and that is all that matters, because I am the ruler. Yeah, of early autsen tense references. It's good to became. It's certainly as certainly as so. You talked about breaking a Guinness World Record. Yep. What else is Planning Sow Thousand and twenty? Can we appreciate? Can we appreciate that we are talking about Guinness and it's not even beer? Hey, O, yes, we can or yourself a Guinness I'm brand Hashtag on brand. It's episode to be over run with hashtags. I approve. Linkedin is Oh yeah, gonna love it. Think of the content. Know you love the content. HASHTAG marketing. Yes, I'm sorry, I was what was the question it was? What other plans are there for two thousand and twenty besides breaking Guinness Non Beer records? Well, I think from a beer and board games perspective, we are just looking at like expanding more, how, you know, doing doing more events across the city, continuing to forge relationships with new breweries and getting, you know, more people into the hobby. You know, Board Games, I think, are enjoying a big resurgence. I think, you know, like it's like nerds are kind of having their moment right, like, you know, the biggest movies are like Comic Book and Star Wars. You know, it's like it's like cool to be a nerd, but I think, like you know, another early two thousand reference the original spider man movie, with great power comes great responsibility, and I think that what I want to do here is, like, as I'm building this community, to make it open and inclusive and, you know, bring in people who otherwise, like you know, might not know anything and make it like approachable. You know, I think that that has been kind of a kind of a good like litmus test for us as, like you know, if we are able to get someone who's maybe coming to check out one event and they become a regular, that to me is a huge win. I want to get people like into this new hobby, into into the scene in Chicago, and the more it can do that, then the more winning love it. Love it. And speaking of winning, segues pretty nicely into our top three, which, let's love it, hair, board games and beer together and in your personal opinion, which, by extension, as being the guest of this podcast, means the law of the land, what are the three death board game and be pairings. All right, so, because you took me off to this was coming. That's a little behind the scenes insight for for people here. I did have a chance to think about it and not only do I want to give you a top three beer and board games pairing, I am going to keep it hyper local here and give you Chicago based Beers for each of those parents. All right, so number one will start off with. If you're playing the settlers of Katan, now just known as Katan, they the beer of choice is goose island. Three, one, two. It is a wheat beer, one of the critical elements of the game. They need to play. It is played on an island, so goose island is totally appropriate and it's also very much a flagship beer, much in the same way that kitten is a flagship game, one that a lot of people get into the hobby playing and kind of, you know, uses a launch pad to go and explore other games. Beer and board...

...game pairing to we have card game, cards against humanity, a game for terrible people. And for the terrible people they get a terrible beer, which is old style, which, to anyone in your audience who is not familiar with old style, is the Shitty Chicago drink, beer drink of choice. Also paired with the Chicago, terrible spirit of choice, Malard for a Chicago handshake. So gross beer, gross game. It just goes together so, so terribly Malora that I found a bar down here that has Malora and it is just fantastic to introduce other people to. It's really you know what I actually I kind of like Malore who. Yeah, I have like a very high tolerance for bitter beverages Um, and there's actually some great bars here in Chicago that make them a Lord cocktails, including my my favorite, named one, postm Lord, which, like you know, is it's totally fitting. My Lord is a is, like it really is the Post Malone of beverages like just like weird, like not particularly attractive but, like you know, kind of lingers with you. So, yeah, love it, but don't actually love it, but love that you love. Yeah. And then for my third pairing, I'm going to kind of throw you a curveball and make it a two for one. Done. So I'm going to throw in, if you be throwing, a couple of pairings for some heavier strategy games that go along with some heavier beers here from some great Chicago micregrewery. So the first the game of two thousand and nineteen was wingspan, a game about birds. I'm not making that up. It's a game about birding. You play a ornithologist who is trying to attract at the most diverse and wonderful birds to their avary. It's a it's a great game that comes with like these really beautiful, like EG components that you just want to eat. Please don't eat them. They'll break your teeth, you'll die. And to go with that game, I recommend off color breweries. Jerk Bird. It's a very heavy Belgian ale that matches, you know, the thinkingess of this game and it's obviously, you know, very somatic to that beverage conception. Off Color is a great brewery. I wish they got wider distribution, but if you're a Chicago in or in Chicago and Love Beer, I highly recommend them. Their beers all have great labels. Maybe Joey, you can throw those in the in the show notes to show the art they're but really good stuff. And then my other pairing for you, if you're into a heavy games, the third most popular game on the Website Board Game Geek, which, for those who don't know, is kind of like the IMDB for Board Games. It has all the information that you'd ever need to about board gaining a game about terraforming the Red Planet. So I went with a heavy red beer from pipe works brewery, the blood of the Unicorn, also another fantastic label shows just a very agro Unicorn causing mayhem. And Yeah, I think that's the energy that you want with that beer, with that game about terraforming the planet Mars and trying to make it a livable place by throwing asperoid into the facebook planet. I mean it, thees logic checks out to me. I'm on board. It's it's actually it is really like bunny. Interesting though, in that game it's very like heavily research from like a combination of both like science fiction and actual like science fact. So like this idea that like people could like...

...steer asteroids into the face of the planet, which would cause the heat to rise, which is, you know, like what happened with the dinosaurs right, like a giant, a giant comet hit and like cause basically a like nuclear reaction. That's not accurate science, but if you're listening to this podcast for that, you have bigger problems. Ye, I'm right. I'm calling your audience out. I'm the number seven highest rated science podcast on Apple podcast. So how dare you? You also graph types, and watch out. It's a gross miscategorization. So people are often disappointed, but somehow I stand. Well, you know, like whatever, it's the best reaction. I like it. Yeah, what, what are those nerves going to do about it? Not a damn thing, that's for sure. Exactly excellent. So if people want to learn more about beers and board games Chicago, want to potentially attend an event, where can they find you? Yeah, that's place to check us out is on meetup. You can also just punch in BBG shycom. We have events the first and third Thursday of every month and then usually a weekend event at the end of the month which rotates at a different brewery. But all that information is on meetup or BBG shycom. Check it out if you're in the Chicago area, just even visiting, and any of the sounds interesting to you. Love to have you love to teach us in Games. Love to get you drunk. They'll get you drunk another early two thom reference. It all comes full stirt, Oh man, so full circle. That is what we're here far well, Eric, you're officially off the hook. Thank you for the wonderful conversation and for all the laughs. If I had been drinking beer during this podcast, I probably have spilled some of it from laughing, so probably for the best that I was. Yeah, it's kind of a shame that, like I, also was not drinking a beer during this but I'm having an existential crisis now. Well, that can be the the sequel follow up to this episode will have her and a board game all at once. Oh, super, down for it. I will eat a board game and play a beard, play a beer, not a beard, but just a bear beard. Maybe, maybe we have been drinking all along. That's it's probably the case. And why not for the the joke that always ends every episode? I wanted to stay on theme, so it's a drinking related one. A bee goes into a bar two hours later comes out buzzing. Get after today, people. That's good. I'm glad to be survived.

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