Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 9 · 1 year ago

Beers and Board Games with Eric Slepak-Cherney

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Eric Slepak-Cherney, co-founder of Beers & Board Games Chicago, joins me to chat all things beer and board gamin’.

Eric started a community that continues to grow, and in this uncertain time, shares options for games you can still play while social distancing. Highlights of this episode include turning ideas into action, the benefits of being inclusive, and some of the best board game and beer pairings out there.

Welcome to good people, cool things, the podcast featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives.I'm your host, Joe. We held and today's guest is Eric Sleepack Churney, cofounder of Beers and board Game Chicago. Eric and I go way back andin fact grew up mere blocks away from each other, and we bothshare a fondness for Beers and board games. But while I just generally enjoy themfrom the comfort of my home, Eric went out and did something alot more exciting, starting a community that continues growing. We talked about turningideas into action, the benefits of being inclusive and some of the best boardgame and beer pairings out there. Let's dive on in Eric. Since thelast time we chatted, things of things have taken a turn just a littlebit, and board games in person probably not the best way to practice socialdistancing, but I am very intrigued by what you're doing as an alternative,so let's hop in. How is board games and beer thriving virtually in thisnew environment? Yeah, so wildly enough. You know, right after your callwas I think that Thursday we had our last in person beer and boardgames before. Things have just, at least here in the states, reallyaccelerated and you know we have this following and understanding that you know this timecan be a little isolating for some people. We wanted to keep on doing whatwe've been doing and try at least to do that in a different waythat was tenable and I figured, you know, this is probably even moreaccessible to your audience, who might not all be based in Chicago, althoughI know you do heavy geo targeting there, so even the people who are outsideof Chicago now can get in on the action. So I just wantedto drop whatever small wisdoms of Pearls of wisdom that I've gained over the lastcouple weeks in terms of things that you can be doing to break up sortof the monotony of whatever else is going on. I love it. Ilove it. I've been trying to do the same, but am always opento more ideas. I know last weekend my sister and parents and I allgot on a call and tried to do the New York Times Crossword together.I say try it, we did. We finish that wow, which,yeah, with surprisingly little cheating, which I think is certainly a record forme and probably, I would say, most people, that's incredible, especiallybecause you're doing it online. Then said it to cheat is just like rightthere, you know. Oh yeah, it was very tempting for me atleast. I can't speak for the rest of my family, but there werea couple times where'd pick up my phone I'm like, it's just so easyto just I pen this, but this is why Joey's banned from all triviain that citty limits. Yeah, no, that's that's awesome. So, yeah, I think so. Think part of this is like the ingenuity thatpeople are having and just kind of like hacking stuff together. You know,of course, now we're all on zoom. They seem to be the only entitythat is doing well in the midst of this crisis, and so itactually has a lot of good tools for making this, making games happen.If you have the paid version, you can use the breakout room functions asfor team conversations. So there's a lot of good team games that lend themselvesto that. The the game just one, if you've ever if you've ever playedthat one. It's a great party game that I highly recommend and isvery easy to play. Over online. Basically the premise of the game isyou are given a word and every two every round you are playing collectively asa group, there is one guesser and everyone else are going to be cluegivers for that for that guesser. So what the guess or does is theyhave a word that they're not allowed to see but everyone else can, andthen everyone else in turn is going to write down a one word clue forthe guesser in order to help with them get to guess that word. Sobefore the guess or is allowed to be the clues, everyone else is goingto compare. There's anyone who wrote duplicate clues? There's cancel out and theyhave to erase it so that the person can't see it. So if you'replaying with like, you know, eight people and there so they're supposed tobe seven clue givers. You know,...

...two of those words might cancel outand then you're left with four or five words and not going to do themath. I don't need to prove that I can do the math, butit's it's a ton of fun. You know, it plays really well withevery group. It's like super accessible and there's not a lot of downtime,which is awesome. You know, I think that that can kill a lotof games for people, is just having to wait in between stuff. Sowhat you're doing, what you can do is, you know, this isa game that exists in in physical form, but it's really easy to emulate thisonline. You can get the words by using a random word generator effect, if you go to random word generatorcom disclaimer. They are not paying mefor that. I don't know that they generate any revenue, just just wordstheir peer man, they're just pure. So you can do that over zoom. Basically you'll put you can put the guesser in a breakout room, kindof quarantine them within the quarantine. Then you all write down and share yourclues, figure out which one stick around and then, when you're ready,let the person back in and now they can guess the word has or haveyou ever run across a situation where everyone has duplicated words, like if youhave eight people, you have four sets of duplicate words and then there wasno clue? I don't think I've ever had that happen. I've had thesituation where we played with like seven or eight people and there was one wordleft standing, which is almost like more hilarious, because if there's like noclue, like you know you're just kind of screwed, but if there's likeone clue, like you're just taking a wild stab at the dark and thenseeing like how of face they were. And then usually what we'll do afterthat is like we'll show them like Oh, if you had this word with,that of helped, and it's really funny, like you'll like a greatthing that happens in this game is they're sort of like a Meta evolves oflike who's the person who's going to really write obvious clues or who's going togo like esoteric in this like really weird direction. So yeah, that isjust one that is like one of my favorite party games of play in personand it's one that I think doesn't lose a lot online, doesn't need alot of additional components or anything. So I think that's that ones that's likea great kind of like homebrew adaptation. Love it, love it. Yeah, another one that another like very Popular Party game that I think is beingadapted with the tools that were using in this current situation. So a lotof people are using slack for work, and probably more now that we're allworking remotely. Slack has an APP version built in of the Popular Party GameCode Names. A lot of people have played this one before. It's twoteams again, it's it's word based where each team has a clue giver andthen everyone else is trying to guess the words. So there's actually an APPthat someone built for slack that allows you to play that. So that oneis another one I had to recommend. You know, if it's a gamethat you've really enjoyed playing in person, there's a way to do it online. Keep these traditions going even in the midst of a rapidly changing, devolvingworld. I like that. I didn't know there was a little application onslack for that and I look forward to continuing to have people guess the assassinon my first clue. Always, always happens. You know, it's partof life. Yeah, I it's always sad to see, but happens,happens regularly. Yeah, another thing that has been really good for making thetransition over. You know, I'll mark this one with an asterisk because it'snot quite a tabletop game, but it's not quite a video game either,and that's the the JACKBOX party packs. Yeah, with like quip, lastdraw full, they have. They have a ton of games that come onthese. So that one's great because, like what you can basically do isset up your zoom. Only one person needs to have the game itself andthey can just share their screen and then everyone else can just enter the gameusing the URL that's given for them. So that's another great way to geta lot of people involved. Y'All can even maybe split the cost among theGames and then, you know, you got hours of fun built in rightthere. Yes, I would wholeheartedly second Jack Box and can confirm it alsoworks on Skype, if you if people are opposed to zoom for whatever reason, and I would imagine works on things like Google hangouts. I think youcan screen shore on that. I'm not...

...yeah, I'm not as as intothe hangouts, but yeah, I easily a entertainable, entertainable. That's anaward, is it not? Yes, N entertaining after moon or evening or, yeahday even, because there is a good varide. I think we're upto six Jack boxes now that come with five games. So I think mymy personal favorite going to says Jack box three where you get equipped lash guestspionage, which is I think, I think probably the one of the easiest onesfor people that haven't done a jackbox before, just because it's okay, it's prettysimple in terms of one person picks a percentage. So it's like thepercentage of people that have ever Irish goodbye at a party or something like that. And Yeah, one person picks the percentage. Everyone else picks if theythink the actual numbers higher or lower. Yeah, just, yeah, supersimple, like you don't need to really know Trivia. You're kind of justguessing. But then there's also the murder Trivia Party, which I love.Trivia Murder Party. I I love it too, but it's I found itis highly divisive. Some people ate and others love it and I don't knowif there's a middle ground. But since we both love it, we're givenin our stamp of approval. Yeah, it's fun. It's weird. It'slike if saw met like Trivia. I don't know. I guess there issome Trivia in instar or like some like because if you think about it,what's his face? The the guy, the puppet and and saw. He'skind of like the world's worst trivia host. So yeah, that one can besuper frustrating, though, because I remember I played that last time andlike I got the first question wrong and as the penalty you have to basically, like air quotes, cut off your finger, which just means that,you know, in this multiple choice trivia guessing game, you lose one ofthe letters permanently, which just sucks because then like the right answer keeps beingthat letter and you're like, I know this, I should be winning,I can't. But it's like short and merciful enough that like, even ifsomething frustrating that like that happens to you, it's not a huge deal. Soyeah, Jack box rate. And then actually, right before this calledI had someone tell me about House party. Do you know about this APP yes, my sister just invite am to it as well. I've not reallygot a chance to poke around it yet, but I it's sounds very intriguing.Yeah, apparently Gen z's all over this and we're just old millennial showingup lads to the party tip. But basically, the way someone described itto me is it's zoom plus games built in. So I recommend people checkingthat out. Without having checked it out yet, myself, but it soundslike things that are of people's alleys. And then just the like last thingI wanted to mention in terms of like options for for people the game.If you want to do something a little more like heavy on the strategic side, there are some great places online where you can do that for free orrelatively cheap. To that, I want to shed out our board game arenadotnet, and you could tie like the peninsula dot de and those are places. Those are two websites where they've made like, admittedly kind of low fidebut still licensed versions of games that you can play online. So if you'reinto like heavyr strategic stuff, kind of the stuff that we talked about inthe first half, some of those games you can find them there. There'salso table Topia and tabletop simulator, which are both available on steam, andboth of those games are basically sandbox engines where you're given the physical pieces toa game and you manipuly manipulated in the same way that you would in person, but you have to do online. So the caveat to that is noone is going to be there to enforce the rules besides the people at thevirtual table. So you know a little more, a little more labor there, but you know, a really good way to kind of control that itchin terms of in terms of gaming. And you know, while you're doingthat you can have your video conferencing APP of choice open. Another really goodfeature for like communicating while you're playing games discord, which is an APP peopleuse mostly for gaming servers, but it allows you to do voice chat.So you can create, like you know,...

...we've done. We've actually done thisfor being more games. We've created a discord server and we have roomsthat we've called tables, though, when you have a game, you cango into the discord sure, this discord server set at a digital table andactually get to talk to one another. And then, lastly, something that'sbeen increasingly more popular and I think is good for these times are just straightup digital ports of games. So some of the ones just to throw outthere, take it to ride, carcosame, moords of water, deep splendor,role for the galaxy, terraforming Mars. Those are all pretty popular games thathave really good digital courts. So if you just want to kind ofplay a video game but a board game at the same time, you gotthose and most, if not all those. I believe support online play, soagain you can get together with some friends and play the Games you knowand love. Fantastic. I've been inspired to go act to ticket to ride. I not that I know that I ever really like, you know,repulsed it, but it's just been a couple months that I've played it.But I also had recently download it, recently downloaded. There we go,the railroad tycoon to platinum addition from two thousand and four. Yeah, buildingtrains in the s made me want to play a ticket to ride and yeah, it's just I don't know what it is. I've always liked been intwo trains. Comes the tank engine probably having a big impact on that,but just the the idea of like connecting different places across the world is veryentertaining. Yeah, it's very satisfying. The there is there is an actualboard game which is basically like railroad tycoon. Board game of FID. The nameis escaping me, of course, but I'll follow up with you onthat so you can get all of your railroad connecting picks. Yes, moreplease, because really, really all I have in person outside of Board Gamesis the the sad tree that goes or the said train that goes around thebase of the Christmas tree way until the winter drags me. Yes, we'relove it. Maybe I can pull it out and just see how like faracross the room I can stretch it, although it would immediately yourself. Pleasedon't do that to yourself, you know. I that's it wouldn't be very far. would be like half of a dining room probably, but I doremember. This is an extreme tangent, but back in the early days ofthe company that I currently work at, we got to test different bluetooth productsfor their annual awards and one of them was a train that you could controllike the sounds and lights and it's start and stop motions and everything from yoursmartphone, which I thought was very cool. Even in retrospect it's it's really notthat much different from flipping a switch or anything, but I was justlike, Hey, look at me from the other room and now I juststarted this train and it was very entertaining and we had to have it hangingoff the largest table in our office because the track was too big. Butso so certainly some dangerous curves. If I was actually on that train,I'd be a little fearful that I'm taking a curve it, I don't know, twelve miles an hour and see. If I had access to that,I would have gotten full bin and just been like, you're failing in controland push the button and it's like me with roller coaster tycoon. Just,yeah, that shut a loot roller coaster. I'll send it at ninety miles anhour and Oh God, or flying railroad, railroad tycoon, just likesending people to their certain death. It's the very entertaining. Yeah, masochism, it's great. It's really, really alarming. How I enjoyed it.They did them. They're not putting yourself on the roller coaster were, althoughI don't think I've ever gotten to the level of like I'm sure you've seensome people with the SIMS, were they'll give them like a one by twosquare room and yeah, like no resources or anything, and just see themslowly descend into madness, which I've never gotten the urge to do that.So a light sight speaking you, you're you're saying the Sims remind me ofan important addendum for my the Info About House party. You are looking for. The House party APP one word. Not The House party game, whichis basically Horny sins. So yeah, don't download that. Very good atDundam, very good at Dendam. Apologies...

...if anyone has downloaded it already sincesix minutes ago. I appology, my apologies. My dms are open forall of your hate mail. I look forward to reading it on a futureepisode. Good Times. We're going to get through it and we've got lotsof great online resources. So appreciate you sharing all of these. Yeah,absolutely, and one last thing I'm going to I'm going to plug here.So one thing I am going to be doing is I am actually going tobe offering up my services to get people set up in these games. Soif any of these options sound cool to you but you want a little helpor you want a little more, you know, sort of hand on guidance, any of these like digital games that you want someone to teach you howto play, I'm happy to lend my experience to that. And at thesame time I'm going to try to do something good for the people in ourcommunity who are going through some hard times right now. So I'm going tomake make a list available. It's going to be on my pin post andtwitter in just a minute here and I'll you know. You can got inthe show notes, but basically there's a list. I have a people inChicago here who are seeking some assistance to get through to get through this covidcrisis. If you show me a receipt that you donated to one of thesepeople on Ben Mo or cash APP, one of those, then I willlend my services to teaching you a game online. So I'll put my informationin the notes where it's available, or you can find me on twitter orinstagram. Twitter it's at Eric Sleep Pack. INSTAGRAM BE SLEEP PACK. Just hitme up, send me a message and let's get to gaming. Boom, get to gaming. That's awesome. Yeah, it's really cool to seea lot of a different resources coming out for helping people that have been obviouslyvery heavily impacted by all of the various businesses shutting down or having to haveat least severely reduced hours. And for my Austin people there's plenty of greatresources as well. I'll give a couple plugs. I atx FIICOM has areally good sort of roundup of just different ways you can support the service industrythrough, again, like through cash APP, Venmo paypal, writing a check andsending a pigeon, because I think pigeons are fine to continue traveling.And then the Austin Acom has lots of terrific reefsources, both from donating perspectiveand just things that are doing, like virtual tool tours. I know inChicago the art institute has a really good virtual kind of museum experience that youcan check out, and it's nice ways to kind of try and present somesense of normalcy throughout all of this. So go check them all out.Yeah, we gotta, we got to be there for each other in thesetough times. Together we'll get through it, just together, being six feet apart. So please do that. Yes, yes, love it all right.Well, Eric, thank you for all of these extra additions and forone else listening. Let's let's get back to the episode that we had plannedfor this. So, once this is all said, how people can getback to their bare board games. Boom, talk about how how beer and boardgames shytown came together. What was the inspiration for it? Started backin two thousand and seventeen. Me and a couple of friends, shout outto Greg and Brent. We kind of just got in this rhythm of goingto check out different breweries across Chicago. Chicago is definitely a very friendly cityto the brewery scene. I'm sure it's got to be the same way inAustin, but it does seem like they're like kind of popping up at likestarbucks level rates these days. Actually did my research and double checked this morning. There are seventy six breweries incorporated in Chicago. So that gives you agas kind of an idea of sort of the bountiful Corner Copia of Beers thatwe have available to us here in the city. And a lot of themhappen to have like just awesome hanging out spaces. So we enjoyed doing that. We enjoyed playing board games, usually like, you know, longer strategicones that like could easily take up a few afternoon and a couple beers.So we started going out to different breweries...

...playing, bringing our games playing thereand it was a ton of fun and we're like, you know what,someone else probably would enjoy doing this. So, you know, we setup a first of facebook group and then pivoted over to a meet up.There was definitely like, you know, a little bit of like some learningcurve and and transition as we did it. So we kind of went from doingit at all kinds of different breweries to finding a lovely spot in theloving square neighborhood navigator tap room. Shout out to them. They have becomeour regular home base, which, you know, we discovered it was mucheasier to have like a consistent time and place to get people. But westill do a like once a month meeting at a different brewery somewhere across thecity. Called that our road show event, and you know we are like gettingout thirty to forty people at a time. It's a good mix oflike regulars and new bees coming in and you know it's an emphasis on sortof like socializing, hanging out, building community, all while we're playing boardgames and knocking back tasty taste beers. Lovely. Do you remember the gameyou were playing when you were like wait, this could be something bigger than justthree of US hanging out and drinking beers? Oooh, that's a goodone. I remember the first game we played at like one of these eventswas dead of winter. It's a survey. It's a cooperative survivalist game where youand a bunch of friends are hoarding off Gaggles of zombies. It's alsolike really sneaky because there could be a traitor in your group. So youhave to watch out if you think someone is not like pulling their share,maybe taking it a little too easy on the zombies. So I just rememberlike our first experience of having that like just, you know, like chillingat this bar, like hanging out and like accusing each other of trying tomurder the rest of us. So you know, when you when you start, they're only good things happen, and I I've really enjoyed the community aspectsthat you touched on a little bit of people maybe who probably, in alot of cases, haven't played these games before and are getting to both trya new game and perhaps a new drink as well, which is always whenwhen all around, I imagine this has happened before, were you'll have juststrangers coming up and kind of joining in the festivities. Yeah, so,yeah, it's interesting. Like I would say that there's definitely like three let'ssay, like for kind of for kind of people who show but our events. One is, you know, people who like our social and like,you know, there for the beer curious about games and we kind of wekind of get them in and Hook them in deep. You know. Thenthere's people who are like more season board gamers but, you know, wantanother venue to play it. Maybe they want somewhere that's a little more it'sa little more social. You know, one of the like really crazy thingsabout Chicago that I like and continuously amazed as like how deep this like gamingrabbit hole goes and like there are meet up groups and like discord channels andblack channels and facebook groups. There's like all these like different stuff communities oflike people who enjoy playing games and like it's crazy that we're not like morecoordinated. You know, I think that's like kind of kind of one ofmy goals of doing this, as I've gotten to meet other people who organizethese kinds of events and definitely want to like, you know, cross pollinatea little more. So that is the a so that's like the second group, like the the game people. Then there's kind of like, you know, the hybrid people who are there for a little bit of each that probablylike speaks more to like, you know, the kind of person that I am, and then we also just get like a lot of people who arelike new in town or, you know, they're just trying to get out morelike maybe, you know, they've like started a start a new jobor like have like more free time now, so they're just getting ap to checkout things. That kind of like I don't know what any of thisis, but I'm going to go check it out, and it's been reallygreat to that too. So excellent, excellent. Do you typically play gamesthat you have already played before, or...

...have you impromptu learned some on thespot during these events too? Yeah, you know, like that man likeyou've you've really really struck a nerve here, Joey, but I'm going for Ihave a purse, I have a personal goal in in two thousand andtwenty to play as view new games as possible. I'm just becoming a carmudgenehermit who is like really tired of like learning new rules. I'm tired oflearning new things period. I just want to be a letty, put mylike weird cormogine and stinks aside. Yeah, we do have a lot of likenew games and, you know, I think that that's one of thethings that like, I am really Hashtag blessed to have all of great organizerCo organizers with me at these events to help me teach rules and learn games. There have been nights where my voice has gone sore from teaching new games. Actually, in December volunteered at pass some plugged it's a penny arcade.You remember the Paircade Webcomic? Yeah, yeah. So, so one ofthe things that like they've gotten into is conventions and they run like the bestgaming conventions in the like on the entire planet. And part of that,like one of the really amazing things they do is for their for their boardgaming events, they actually have paid volunteers who like teach people new Games.So that was like a really great experience for me to go and see howit's kind of done on this like huge level. I mean this past bear, the pass some plugged event had like a hundred and fifty thousand people overthe course of three days, and so like I was responsible for teaching thissection of five games, which ended up being really crazy because, like inthe weeks leading up to the convention, this like Chicko section that I wasassigned like all the Games that were in my section, like I started hearinggetting recommended on podcasts, like they were like people's favorite new games and Ijust happened to have like all these hot games in my section. So atthe end of three days I was like I was exhausted. I I thinkI'd like I did the math and like I think I taught probably close toa thousand people new Games. So there's definitely an art to like teaching thosegames and getting the rules down, and you know, that's like a bigthing that we that we like pride ourselves and doing. Is because we wantto make this as inclusive and approachable as possible. So, you know,I give my speel whenever people show up to an event. Hey, likefeel free to jump at a game, like chances are the person next toyou is happy to teach you the game and if none of you know therules, then like come grab one of us, because, yeah, obviously, like you know, I tell people, like no one wants to spend theirentire night reading a rule book. I mean that's like how friendships end. You know, I would very much like to see a friendship just goup in flames over reading a sixty page roll. By yeah, I meanlike you're you're putting a lot on the line there. It's kind of likepeople's reading comprehensions, you know, like logical skills. I mean like thereare like, you know, some complicated rules and edge cases that like literallywill lead to verbal arguments, and I am against that. I am Iam putting my foot down. I am anti friend destroying rules arguments. Yes, we need we need more people like that. Seems like I've met alot of pro destroying friendships folks. It's it's really weird. Yeah, like, you know, more power to them, I guess, but no thanks,I suppose, says. So of the packs unplugged games that you taught, did you have a favorite out of the bunch? There were like alot of a lot of really interesting ones. I think my personal favorite of theones that I ended up teaching was this game called off shore. Itwas a game about drilling for oil and it was like designed by a Norwegianperson who did like all of this research about oil drilling and it had thislike really fun aspect of it. We're like you could convince someone to goopen up an oil platform, but like one person would be in charge ofdoing the drilling, which was essentially just like kind of a push your lucksort of thing, where you reach into...

...a bag and pull out these pilesand like the more tiles you pull out out, that represented how deep youwere drilling. So you would get, you know, more oil, obviouslyif you did that, but it was also greater chance that your drill wouldjust explode. So it was really funny to watch people like go into businesswith someone who is just like completely, like insane and willing to like throwit all away. I said, a sound very entertaining. We're I'm certainlymaking a list at the end of this conversation to well, I guess I'mdoing the opposite of you and learning more new games in two thousand and twenty. Yeah, I mean I really like my like my weird predilections aside,like I've I love learning new games in general. You know, I havebeen I haven't personally like looking forward to playing stuff like a little more indepth than getting to appreciate some of the nuances. You know, it's kindof like it's kind of like listening to music, right, like you discovera new album and the more you listen to it, the more you kindof like, you know, unearthed little details that you hear in the backgroundthat you didn't you didn't hear the first time and give me really the thesame way with games, because I think that that is kind of that's kindof like core at like what drives that enjoyment for games is like you're kindof like putting this puzzle together and it really unlocks just like some weird primalpart of your brain. That's very satisfying. Yeah, I like the music analogy. I recently discovered Rick Bianto, who is a think like I'm musicproducer, but just knows a ton about music and has access to all thesemaster recordings where he can break down individual parts of a song. And Yeah, have recently learned things like in all the small things by blanquin eighty two, there's a synthesizer in the chorus which I had never noticed before, andin more than a feeling by Boston, during the guitar sort of riff beforethe chorus, like the bear when part, there's also a vocal layered on topof it and I always just thought it was a guitar and I waslike look at that, look at that, just to hear there's so much.God, is that the guy who I watched this video. I don'tknow if it's him or maybe someone who does a similar thing, but helike kind of broke down bad guy by billy eilish and was like this iswhy this song is a pop masterpiece. Like yeah, all right, Ihaven't seen that one, but yeah, I think it's probably. He hasa series. It's called what makes this song great, so it's quite possible. Okay, I think it's that guy approved. Yes, excellent, happyfor to get the approval. Yeah, yeah, my endorsement. Have youfound with certain aims that after I don't know, more than two or threebeers, they become difficult and or unplayable because of the rising alcohol levels andyour body? You know, it's yes, and it's very interesting. One ofthe like added parts of organizing this. You know, at these events II tend to watch, you know, how much I'm drinking and try tostay havnistant for the sake of those around me who will be exposed tome. But you know, sometimes I will get to see people who aremaybe lesson control try and learn a very complicated game when they're three sheheets tothe wind, and I try to do some like gentle steering I'm like,Oh, you know, you're about to play a threehour game about economic management. Maybe you want to play this game where you just yell and point ateach other, because I think that that's more in your wheel house right now. And I've had I've had people like actively like challenge me, like notusually people who show up for the event, but like people who happen to beat the bar when the event is going on and and they like well, like hey, can you teach this this game? And they'll just belike completely housed in, like and they're like I bet you, I betyou hate teaching us, and I'm just like no, you're not. Ilove being L it is like like part of me is just like really upfor the challenge. You know. It's like can I break this down intosomething really simple enough that even a person...

...who has the cogon the current cognitiveability of a toddler to to understand? That is yeah, that is agood challenge. I don't know if I'd have the patience for it. SoKudos to you. And as far as the amount of people that come tothis, have you ever had a game where everyone was playing the same gameat once? Because I was playing. I think it was the Game Linky, and noticed on the box that it set it's for two hundred and thirtyplayers, and that is the most I have seen in any kind of boardgame as far as number of players go, and was wondering if there's anything,anything more out there for for even more people than thirty. Yeah,definitely, this is I want to let's say that like this is definitely likesort of a board game fetish, I think, is to like see howmany people you can cram into. Wow, I made a sound way worse thanit did, but they answer your question is yes. So one ofthe things that like we're trying to do. There's there's a like local board gamecharity convention here in Chicago called the Gaming Hooplah. Great event for anyonewho's in the Chicago area. All the proceeds go to supporting children's cancer center. We want to try to organize an event. They're for a game calledwelcome to welcome to your perfect neighborhood, which I recently found out is oneof Daniel radcliff's favorite games. So if my endorsement doesn't mean thing to you, Sureley Harry Potter's mouth, but essentially what the game is. It putsyou in the position of a blueprint, of a of an architect who's makinga blueprint of a one thousand nine hundred and fifty suburb, which you getby like choosing from a series of cards, and you're trying to fill in theselittle houses on your street and optimize the configuration, and it's kind ofkind of like a bing got a bingo element to it in that, like, you know, everyone is get like three cars that they can choose fromand then they're writing on their own personal player, player, she eat,and so the box blist up to ninety nine people, which even of inand of itself, like is also like kind of an artificial cat because aslong as you can get enough people in a room and get like a screenwhere you can show the cards, you can like just keep adding people tothe game. So I kind of want to go for that and and seeif we can like break the hundred, the hundred barrier mark. You know, I don't know if that is like a world record. I don't knowif this is like the landspeed barrier that we're trying to break, but that'sdefinitely my hashtag goals for two thousand and twenty. I'd say it's about onpar with the landspeed barrier. I would maybe have a Guinness Representative on handjust in case. Yeah, yeah, I mean I usually do like anythingI'm doing, because you never know, it's at the same one or doyou have a new person come out every time? A new person every time? You can't get to tummy with them, otherwise it throws your credibility into thetank. So that's fair. That's fair, and I'm sure they oftendon't leave disappointed with no new record breaks. No, I mean they're. Ifeel like that job has got to be like awesome and like interesting,right, like, because there's like, as the the early two thousand sbox Guinness Roll Records TV show demonstrated, the wide depth of records that theyassessed are just fascinating. So like you could go from watching the world's fastestrapper to like most Tarantula's worn on head and variety of the Spepe of life. Right. So that really is that's my thoughts. I wonder. Iwonder what. Now we're getting down a Guinness Rabbit Hole, which is alwaysgood, but I wonder how many in a day they do or if it'slike they you know, they booked the whole day for one because they're likethis could take a wow. And like do they get endless opportunities? Likeif someone there's there's one record, which I believe has been broken since then, but a tech reporter that I worked with way back in the day shoutout Katie Lynn and all. She's set a record for most high fives inone minute and just had like a bunch of people standing with their hands outand I was like, do you just get the one opportunity or are youa you know she was a second too slow. Would you be able tohydrate a little? Have some Lemonlon Gatorade?...

All the electrolytes. You know it. It's EMINEM lose yourself rules. You get one shot. Love,love in the early two thousand references. You know, that's it. Itis both a cultural waste land and the environment I was forged in, likelike the cave for the cave that Bait came out of. That's an earlyten reference. So a little off brand, but I hope everyone is okay withit. I mean, I'll allow it and that is all that matters, because I am the ruler. Yeah, of early autsen tense references. It'sgood to became. It's certainly as certainly as so. You talked aboutbreaking a Guinness World Record. Yep. What else is Planning Sow Thousand andtwenty? Can we appreciate? Can we appreciate that we are talking about Guinnessand it's not even beer? Hey, O, yes, we can oryourself a Guinness I'm brand Hashtag on brand. It's episode to be over run withhashtags. I approve. Linkedin is Oh yeah, gonna love it.Think of the content. Know you love the content. HASHTAG marketing. Yes, I'm sorry, I was what was the question it was? What otherplans are there for two thousand and twenty besides breaking Guinness Non Beer records?Well, I think from a beer and board games perspective, we are justlooking at like expanding more, how, you know, doing doing more eventsacross the city, continuing to forge relationships with new breweries and getting, youknow, more people into the hobby. You know, Board Games, Ithink, are enjoying a big resurgence. I think, you know, likeit's like nerds are kind of having their moment right, like, you know, the biggest movies are like Comic Book and Star Wars. You know,it's like it's like cool to be a nerd, but I think, likeyou know, another early two thousand reference the original spider man movie, withgreat power comes great responsibility, and I think that what I want to dohere is, like, as I'm building this community, to make it openand inclusive and, you know, bring in people who otherwise, like youknow, might not know anything and make it like approachable. You know,I think that that has been kind of a kind of a good like litmustest for us as, like you know, if we are able to get someonewho's maybe coming to check out one event and they become a regular,that to me is a huge win. I want to get people like intothis new hobby, into into the scene in Chicago, and the more itcan do that, then the more winning love it. Love it. Andspeaking of winning, segues pretty nicely into our top three, which, let'slove it, hair, board games and beer together and in your personal opinion, which, by extension, as being the guest of this podcast, meansthe law of the land, what are the three death board game and bepairings. All right, so, because you took me off to this wascoming. That's a little behind the scenes insight for for people here. Idid have a chance to think about it and not only do I want togive you a top three beer and board games pairing, I am going tokeep it hyper local here and give you Chicago based Beers for each of thoseparents. All right, so number one will start off with. If you'replaying the settlers of Katan, now just known as Katan, they the beerof choice is goose island. Three, one, two. It is awheat beer, one of the critical elements of the game. They need toplay. It is played on an island, so goose island is totally appropriate andit's also very much a flagship beer, much in the same way that kittenis a flagship game, one that a lot of people get into thehobby playing and kind of, you know, uses a launch pad to go andexplore other games. Beer and board...

...game pairing to we have card game, cards against humanity, a game for terrible people. And for the terriblepeople they get a terrible beer, which is old style, which, toanyone in your audience who is not familiar with old style, is the ShittyChicago drink, beer drink of choice. Also paired with the Chicago, terriblespirit of choice, Malard for a Chicago handshake. So gross beer, grossgame. It just goes together so, so terribly Malora that I found abar down here that has Malora and it is just fantastic to introduce other peopleto. It's really you know what I actually I kind of like Malore who. Yeah, I have like a very high tolerance for bitter beverages Um,and there's actually some great bars here in Chicago that make them a Lord cocktails, including my my favorite, named one, postm Lord, which, like youknow, is it's totally fitting. My Lord is a is, likeit really is the Post Malone of beverages like just like weird, like notparticularly attractive but, like you know, kind of lingers with you. So, yeah, love it, but don't actually love it, but love thatyou love. Yeah. And then for my third pairing, I'm going tokind of throw you a curveball and make it a two for one. Done. So I'm going to throw in, if you be throwing, a coupleof pairings for some heavier strategy games that go along with some heavier beers herefrom some great Chicago micregrewery. So the first the game of two thousand andnineteen was wingspan, a game about birds. I'm not making that up. It'sa game about birding. You play a ornithologist who is trying to attractat the most diverse and wonderful birds to their avary. It's a it's agreat game that comes with like these really beautiful, like EG components that youjust want to eat. Please don't eat them. They'll break your teeth,you'll die. And to go with that game, I recommend off color breweries. Jerk Bird. It's a very heavy Belgian ale that matches, you know, the thinkingess of this game and it's obviously, you know, very somaticto that beverage conception. Off Color is a great brewery. I wish theygot wider distribution, but if you're a Chicago in or in Chicago and LoveBeer, I highly recommend them. Their beers all have great labels. MaybeJoey, you can throw those in the in the show notes to show theart they're but really good stuff. And then my other pairing for you,if you're into a heavy games, the third most popular game on the WebsiteBoard Game Geek, which, for those who don't know, is kind oflike the IMDB for Board Games. It has all the information that you'd everneed to about board gaining a game about terraforming the Red Planet. So Iwent with a heavy red beer from pipe works brewery, the blood of theUnicorn, also another fantastic label shows just a very agro Unicorn causing mayhem.And Yeah, I think that's the energy that you want with that beer,with that game about terraforming the planet Mars and trying to make it a livableplace by throwing asperoid into the facebook planet. I mean it, thees logic checksout to me. I'm on board. It's it's actually it is really likebunny. Interesting though, in that game it's very like heavily research fromlike a combination of both like science fiction and actual like science fact. Solike this idea that like people could like...

...steer asteroids into the face of theplanet, which would cause the heat to rise, which is, you know, like what happened with the dinosaurs right, like a giant, a giant comethit and like cause basically a like nuclear reaction. That's not accurate science, but if you're listening to this podcast for that, you have bigger problems. Ye, I'm right. I'm calling your audience out. I'm the numberseven highest rated science podcast on Apple podcast. So how dare you? You alsograph types, and watch out. It's a gross miscategorization. So peopleare often disappointed, but somehow I stand. Well, you know, like whatever, it's the best reaction. I like it. Yeah, what,what are those nerves going to do about it? Not a damn thing,that's for sure. Exactly excellent. So if people want to learn more aboutbeers and board games Chicago, want to potentially attend an event, where canthey find you? Yeah, that's place to check us out is on meetup. You can also just punch in BBG shycom. We have events the firstand third Thursday of every month and then usually a weekend event at the endof the month which rotates at a different brewery. But all that information ison meetup or BBG shycom. Check it out if you're in the Chicago area, just even visiting, and any of the sounds interesting to you. Loveto have you love to teach us in Games. Love to get you drunk. They'll get you drunk another early two thom reference. It all comes fullstirt, Oh man, so full circle. That is what we're here far well, Eric, you're officially off the hook. Thank you for the wonderfulconversation and for all the laughs. If I had been drinking beer during thispodcast, I probably have spilled some of it from laughing, so probably forthe best that I was. Yeah, it's kind of a shame that,like I, also was not drinking a beer during this but I'm having anexistential crisis now. Well, that can be the the sequel follow up tothis episode will have her and a board game all at once. Oh,super, down for it. I will eat a board game and play abeard, play a beer, not a beard, but just a bear beard. Maybe, maybe we have been drinking all along. That's it's probably thecase. And why not for the the joke that always ends every episode?I wanted to stay on theme, so it's a drinking related one. Abee goes into a bar two hours later comes out buzzing. Get after today, people. That's good. I'm glad to be survived.

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