Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 77 · 9 months ago

77: From the Vault: Barstool Poetry, Driving Cabs, and Publishing Books with Bob Makela

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Bob Makela, who, quite frankly, puts the Most Interesting Man in the World to shame, shares his wild world experiences in this classic vault episode from 2015. Bob has driven cabs, began a very cool event known as Barstool Poetry, has started an indie press and even has a few podcasts of his own (but please finish this one first). Listen along, won't you?

Good people cool things as a podcast feature and conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. Get inspired by their stories to do your own cool thing, and here's your host, Joey held. Welcome to good people, cool things. I'M gonna be real honest with y'all. It was a rough week and a half. It's still kind of being one. I had some sort of bug, thankfully not covid. Got Tested it was negative. That's delightful, but was feeling just atrocious this past week and a half and that means that a couple couple podcast recording episodes had to be postponed, which means that there wasn't a new episode for this week. But when that happens I just like to dig into the vault because I have done some wonderful interviews over the years. By wonderful I mean the people I'm interviewing. Our wonderful this interviews from back in two thousand and fifteen with Bob Macla who, if I had to peg someone as the real life most interesting man in the world, Bob would probably be it. He and I met at a bar stool poetry event, which we will get into in the episode of what that is, but it is delightful. It's fantastic. If you have not done a bar stool poech I would highly recommend it, maybe once bars reopen again, since we're kind of in that phase of maybe going outside and hanging out with people not the best thing. So once that's behind us, would highly recommend barstool poetry. It's a lot of fun. Bob Moved from Austin to New York and started Bob timistic books, his own book Publishing Company. It's got lots of fun titles underneath that umbrella and we're chatting about all of it and Bob's been up to a lot more since then. So highly recommend heading over to two degrees of bobcom because he has gotten up to so much more since we last chatted. But I think there's a lot of good stuff and takeaways and interesting things going on in this episode. You can also hear how my interviewing not as good back in the day, as well as the recording set up in all that good stuff. Come a long way from the blue snowball and but where. I think you still hear everything very well and Bob's an interesting guys. I want to give some bl up. If you like to get in touch with the show, you can reach out at GPCT podcast on facebook, twitter or instagram. Can also reach out Joey at good people cool thingscom always love here and from you, and the store has been updated on the website. So if you want to come grab some cool merch or just look at it and be like Hey, this is nice merch, you can do that as well. But for now let's hop into the conversation with Bob. All, are you man, doing all right? It's been a it's been a hectic morning. I had a the Time Warner technician had to come over to change change out the cable box and so kei it just left like a few minutes ago. So you're at their mercy for your entire day, based on their schedule. Yeah, they somehow only had they only gave but an hour window, which I was kind of impressed by because I feel like they make that window. They did. Yeah, I was. I was pretty spright and there near the beginning of it too, I was. I was like this has got to be a record for closest to like accurate time. I guess you're in the flow. You got some Mojo. Exactly yeah, I've got have to reset up all my recordings now, but it's the summer season so it's fine watching right now. Honestly, I've been recording. I TVS is playing Seinfeld like in its order and I was thinking like, I don't know if I've ever actually watched like I've seen every episode multiple times, I don't know I've ever actually watched it like in order. So it's kind of interesting to see, you know, occasional callbacks. They'll do that. I wouldn't have really thought of otherwise. But then when you watch it back to back, it's like, oh, yeah, I like that did happen last episode and you watch the characters progressed, because Kramer changed pretty significantly, did he? Yeah, the hair didn't. I didn't get to peak level until like the middle season three. Said recently heard this, but he went from me like the idiot at the beginning to by the end he thinks he's the smartest one whole group. Yeah, and it's yeah, it's interesting to see because he'll show flashes every one. While I'm on I season four right now. So how many see season seasons? They do. Did nine total. So still they're like certain to run a story, real short story, for my first airline magazine piece on Seinfeld Day at a Brooklyn cyclones game. So that was my first trip to Coney Island. You know, I moved from Austin to Brooklyn last November and so last month I actually was in late July, early July, went to coney island for the first day. F first time. Went to my first minor league baseball game, got on the...

...field and and and watched the Eland in dance contest, among many other things. There was a guy and there were five people in the La and dance dance off and one of them was a guy that just coincidentally, was a dead ringer for Jerry. That's the seasons take at holder for eight years and then seven years into it they decided they're going to have a scienfell solute to Sinfel Day and this, this guy is this seasons. I got holder who looks exactly like Jerry, but they don't have a jerry look like contests. They have the lane dance contest. Of these forced to enter that thing in drag. Yeah, it was good. We see the winners. He just took the contakeable. The first year he was the runner up but he was dressed like Jerry. So this year he thought he love. He thought a loss last week because he wasn't dressed like elands. Of this year he comes in the Elaine dress, he's got the leggings and and and had a wig. I put makeup on, Lipsticks, the works and had a wig and like five ten seconds into the dance contest the WIG flies off and he's basically then then he's just a hideous cross dressing Jerry and so like a lame which is not know how the audience was going for well, maybe next year, a third time will be the charm and Nice Guy. Actually he's you can check out a picture of him. I have a blog called two degrees of Bob where I'm trying to count every per catalog every person I've ever met, past president in future, but pictures at a little paragraph about how I know this person and he's I think eighty one two's on the list. Check them out. Definitely two degrees spotcom the number two, the number two, or spell that the number two are spelled at I was like Sun to the number two. Yeah, the plugs. Always got to make sure they're I'm the worst self promoter. Grid the self loathing it any time I throw a plug out there. Well, you'll at least have some I have some backup from me. Yeah, I hope so. Yeah, and I'd love to give the listeners a little background, because I think how we met with through one of the the most fun things I've still been at involved with since I moved to Austin, which was Barston poetry. I. And can you just talk a little bit about how how you even heard about this in the first place and then how you how you started it and as it yeah, well, how I heard about barslow post is because I stumbled into doing it ny two, I think, my roommate and I, John, we were at a bar and West La San Francisco, salone on Pico. We had a bunch of friends that were bartenders. Are So we were single guys at a college and but we're also pat crippling selfconsciousness and a lack of confidence to get them tons of girls that we found cute in the bar. Instead of trying to approach women, we one night I had a pen and I got a cocktail Napkin and I jotted down a title to the poem and some I thought would make John Laugh, and then I gave him the knack of the pain. I said write a poem to fit that title, and he kind of looks at me funny and then he went ahead and did it and gave me a title and three four hours later we had a massive pile of what we call our still poems. And we so we were either hunched over writing on Napkins or reading these things out loud to each other and cracking each other up, and we lost that self consciousness that a lot of people get in bars and we have we're have such a good time that during the course of the evening, every female in the bar have wandered over and asks what the Hell we're doing it. So we realize we just met every girl without getting off our asses. What a great idea. Let's do this the next time we go out. So over the course of the next handful of several years, I pted barstow poetry with the number of friends, strangers, bartenders, waitresses, and I had collected over the five hundred and fifty of these things through throughout the s or early s and so and every time I moved I had saved them in a big ziplog bag and through every move they made. They made several move with me. So finally, have for many years of lugging these things around, I decided to self publish a book about these things, taking the best of my favorite I just thirteen chatters each chapter at Thirteen Napkin poems and so called the bar still poetry their early years, one thousand nine hundred and ninety two to two thousand and at the time I was driving a cab. When I did so, I started selling these things out of my cab...

...and people, people, Love Them. They they they would read poems and the cab and getting rides of this one girl, regular custom customer mindset. She and her friends row from Austin to was a long, like five six hour drive and she said the entire time they were reading, they read the whole book. They just passed around and we're cracking up. So that kind of I mean. And I already had a good sense that it was a good idea. It was a good way to get people out of their shelves, a way to document the night. It was a way to purge whatever angst your feeling. And then I had a lot of fun. Use could have been a drinking game a way to you know, there were nice where there'd be three for my friends and we do a round of oars poems and and we pick a girl that we wanted to meet and walk over and asked her to read the sheet. Would mind reading these things and pick them a heart the best one. So I mean it's there many purposes. And once I had finally got around publishing the book and I got a I got written up in the Austin American statesman, I decided to and and I just love my cat, my cab customers, my regulars. I had just third enjoyed the job. Was a great time to to beat it and had that kind of job before uber hit town and I was new in town. So so I decided to have a actually one of my customers day. Thanks, thanks Dave. Decided to. He said, like my buddy on the bar on Sixth Street, why do we have a book party for you? So we did that and I had probably, I don't know, forty fifty of my friends and cab customer showed up and and I took the contents of I had. We had a bowl. We have three bowls at the front of the room and the first bowl is where you can toss in a pick up a Napkin and toss in a title. Second Bowl was reserved for anybody who is attending the reaching the in the bowl and pick out somebody else's title, walk off and write a poem and throw it a bowl number two. And Bowl number two, anybody can walk up and read the poems and bone number two and and if you really like what you're ready, you can throw it a bowl number three. So the N and I we had people reading various homes that they'd written. It was so it was a fascinating cross section of ut high school are yout kids and and and this retired couple from Houston that lived down by down by the leg and they were my regulars and, you know, just a crazy cross section of Austin. So I decided to start having you know, I wanted to have one every month. That didn't quite workouts every month, but that's when I met you, that I meet you on the second one at one six, that violent, violent crowd. Yeah, yeah, that was the first one. I made it and I went with a friend who I'm pretty sure broke off by a date she had planned because she she heard the concept. She's like that sounds a lot better than, you know, stuffy old dinner. So well, did you got funding of the day? I think so. Yeah, I don't know if I she ever did go on a date with that guy. Maybe he was too hurt after that, but she she definitely enjoyed herself, I think she. I she spent a lot of time on and one of her poems and then at the end was just like this wasn't like I should have just gone with what first came to my head, but which I think is the I mean I was actually I had just found the I a copy of the book. It's not the earlier as one, but the one from from Austin, and it I some of the ones in there that you know clearly whoever wrote it just the first thing that popped to their mind. I, you know, just jotted it down and they're still great and I think that's that's a big key of it is it's like, you know you're not trying to write the next great American novel here, but I you know, whatever, that the answer. It's just the only wrong answer is not participating exactly so, and you know there's bound to be stinkers and there's but there's I would argue there's there's a there's occasional moments of brilliance in there too, despite the level of sobriety of the person that wrote it. And and I know you had the bowl of like it. I don't know if it was necessarily a separate bowl or anything, but you had your like top, top tier ones. What percentage would you say of all the poems that you got were ones that we're actually like wow, that was, you know, fantastic. You know, I'm so wrestling with answering that because I feel like my standards of what's good or great or impelling is maybe different than a lot of people's. So for me...

...it was like about third of them, maybe more, but it was, you know, so subjective that I just love the fact that people are even attempting it and I feel like, especially when you have a little buzz going, you're you're more absolute, reveal a layer of yourself that you might have been behind a mask if you're more sober in the latter day. You know. Yeah, and it was it was an interesting thing to see kind of Ethan night progressed, I know, despite despite a difficulties at least. So I still love the concept and I just found just on facebook yesterday that a guy that I met when I was volunteering in New Orleans he just opened a bar and Williamsburg with two friends. So this sounds like a perfect place to to get back into doing this. But the events there was always they never I mean there was maybe one or two that that turned out like met my expectation and I tried had no expectations, but you know, at the bottom line is I still love it if a ton of people came out participated and had a great time and and and the mics worked me as worked in there, and the technology of float and you know, we had cool lights, but it was a very low tech endeavor and the results were all over the map. Yeah, and I think that I think that added to the charm a little bit, though sometimes they I hope so. I mean I never and and the couple times that I that I went to one, I'd have people coming up who had no idea what was happening and I try to explain the situation to them like, you know, just go over to that ball and pick something out, and I feel like most of the time they at least went over to the Bulls. I don't know if they. If they, you know, actually took out a poem and wrote something, but I know at least one guy did. He came over and hand me read it before he put it in. It's like you like it. I'm like yeah, like, there's like people, people, but I feel like the purse. There's a there is a small subset of people that really the when they stumble onto it, they really love it, you know, they love the idea of it, they love doing it, and you know, that's the people I'm I guess I'd like to care to and find more of those people, but I personally, if I want to know bars, stumbled into this instead of a Trivia night, I'd be sighted and I'd be even more scite of fifty other people were shared my attitude about definitely, and I feel like I'd do better at this than a trivia yeah, yeah, I'm actually pretty good at Trivia. So I need to go to more tribut nights and maybe do some networking for some bar for my barst of Pountry Nights. Yeah, and you can win some good some good bartimes. I know I was at a Bingo night a couple weeks ago and I was with a few ends and one of them went to the bathroom, so I was like still filling out her card to and she won, and so I got I like ran over bathroom. And then so the guy was like announced over the microphone. He's like, all right, we have a winner. Maybe he waited to look at it until she came back from the bathroom, but I guess there was a huge line. So we're standing there for like ten minutes just awkwardly looking at each other and then he's like he like took a glance at it and he was like all right, you like you won whatever. I'm just we're not going to wait for how I think was a twenty five tad for the bar. So Austin was Gibson's gibs. Yeah, that's where the BINGO was. They're giving that prizes all over. The play was twenty and I wasn't drinking my so I had to get twenty dollars worth of cranberry juices and you're like yeah, I'm just going to give you this for free. He's in on somebody else, but that was my experience with ribbing night, but I would love to find those space somewhere to get bars to poetry going out here in Brooklyn. Yeah, I mean this guy to replaces. Yeah, I'm up this guy that I know. This could be. This could be just a continuation of your good Mojo on the over the cable guy. Exactly. Yeah, keep keeping it going. Thank you. He was actually I he noticed I have a Nintendo sixty four and so he he asked how how I you know, how it's holding up, and I'm like, Yah, it's still pretty good. You know, stuff to blow in the cartridge is to get it going, but that's it. That's an old standby. That's been true since like one thousand nine hundred and ninety six. And he was like, well, how are the controllers? And I was like one of them has like a little bit of a you know, the stick is a little wobbly, but you know, it's just wearing tear. And then he introduced me to this site. All that. He said it was just called Geek and I know geekcom is not this site, so I don't know if there is. I if maybe you have to search like Geek China, but it's basically I just like a Chinese warehouse that has all kinds of electronics for very...

...cheap. And he was like, my sister hasn't intend to sixty four, so I bought I bought her like four and sixty four controllers. And they're longer cables, I guess, so you can sit farther back and not damage your eyes as much. And there he said they're like five dollars. So there's a plug for that site too. I don't know. Wow, you really was a good luck ower. I know that sounds amazing. How many times to get good, positive information from the cable guy? It's rare. And that he's showed up on time and finished in less time than they said it would take, like that's a TRIFECTA. Yeah, you're a bad man. You want to early my yeah, football is getting started. Yeah, yeah, he like any of the Games? I was looking at some of the ones that are happening, just in terms of watching them, and I don't know if it's a lot of average teams playing and then TCU plays, me a Michigan playing tonight? Are they? I must have missed that. Then I know what. I haven't even looked at the schedule because I know I'm trying. I got some things I'm trying to get done and I know that if I I'm tempted by a good game tonight, I will be. I will be pulled to watch the game and I'm trying to avoid it because I know that I'm a huge football fan. So it's I'm recognizing that there's going to be some lost hours there. So before it actually it's time to do the deep dive, I'm going to try to get productive on some of these projects here. It's probably for the best. Sho's your team nate. Well, in college I went to Ucla, so I gotta go. I gotta be a UCLA die hard forever. Grew up a USC football fan and Ucla Basketball Fan. Then once you see a UCLN realize that there's there's no good reason to group for you USC football anymore at all, and it's actually fun to route against them. So the fact that we take their ass the last three years it's been nice. But there there, there are people picking them to go to the final four. So and Youcla. So it's going to be an interesting season. We got a good team. We got a true freshman quarterback. It's going to be good. WHO's your team? I went to Miami, some of Miami Hurricane. You went to University of Miami and Florida or up Ohio, Florida hurricanes. Yes, we've been that quite average. You guys are a kind of kind of a down, down or cycle right now. All right, yeah, a lot of six and six seasons. Yeah, we went through that. We had we had a long run of that, but things are looking up for us now. Hopefully we can ride on the couch jails. There's yeah, I'm a pactive pack twelve and now, but one of my nephews, I get sixteen death hews and nieces. But one of my nephews his best friend who have known since he was in fourth or fifth grade. Is that a full ride of play football at Afu, who was also picked to be very good this year. So this is going to be a year that I'm going to be following the sun devils closer than ever. So we should expect the pack twelve then to a twelve is going and yeah, they're going to be there. They're good. They're a lot of people staying there. Is Good about better than the SEC this year. Well, I know the a SEC will not be at that level. So I'm excited to to see some other good comes and George Tax ACC right, yeah, and close in is always. Yeah, all right, North Carolina plays South Carolina tonight. So I don't know if that'll that'll teach us anything about if either of those teams are good, but I wouldn't say I would. I likes. I like seeing Steve spurger lose, so I'm going for USC on that one. Yeah, and I was root for the other ACC teams if they're not playing Miami, because let it, you know, makes them look good too. So yeah, yeah, you want your root hard for Virginia. Talk Against Ohio State and the first game. Yeah, can they pull it off two years in a row? Love to, love to see that. Didn't then came from when it all last? Few of them? Yeah, it's not. Yeah, that's the that's the key. You schedule your potential trap games the first week and then you can you can recover. Yeah, are you an NFL fan? Yeah, I had my I told myself I wasn't going to do fantasy football this year and then I found myself in two leagues. So have a you know people I know well. One of them is only a couple people I know, and then it's strangers. The other one I probably know about half of the people in it. So yeah, it's still mostly strangers. I guess the will are you picking, because I've got a thing where it's I guess it's not really fantasy football where you pick. You pick who the winners of each game against the spread, and it's and then, as a maybe twenty people in it, throw win a hundred chips and then and then, if you win...

...the weight, then you win your hundred chips and so by the nbair you it's you don't put any money. Our chipped out up front and it's great. I love it. So makes every game you know you're paying attention to every game. You've got some writing on every single game. Yeah, we I do that. My cousin runs a pickam league like that. It's not against the spread, though, which that that would that would make me probably a lot worse than I am in it. But this one has, I don't know if you do the confidence points. What's so? It's the sixteen games in week one. So each game you rank on how confident you are of it. So, like the one you think this team is for sure going to win, you put sixteen on that and I'll add up all those points. And so I remember last year there was some week where my foremost confident games were all wrong and I was like this is I need to step back and look at my process here, because it is not the way to do it. But and you're not here figures, just pick a winner. Yeah, not even agains the spread, just straight up winners. And it was like, I think only one of them was even a close game, like the other three were just like huge blowouts, not in my favor, and I'm like, cause you're nuts, you're not a student of the game enough for it was just because there's crazy shit happened the football. Yeah, I think it's just because the NFL is so unpredictable and it's and it's always like things I like kind of briefly consider, like I don't know if you remember the raiders when they won their first game last year. It was like on a Thursday night against the chiefs, who were doing pretty well, and like it's the only thing I really remember, other than it being like a very bad game to watch, was the raiders got a sack on second or third down and then we're celebrating in the backfield while the chiefs are trying to get back, because whatever. And so that was a game where I for a long time I was like, you know what, like this has all the makings of like the chiefs are going to blow it because they're playing denver the next week, who's always there, their big rival on the division the last few years, and so I was like this just like seems like a game they'd lose, but I couldn't pull the trigger on it. And then Oakland wins and I was like, of course, of course, you're good, good, I know, but again, a lot of people picked, I canna say, to win that too. So yeah, I feel like if you if you're with the crowd for the most part, and you lose, it's not as bad. But yeah, exactly. I'm also on your heard. You know what a suicide pool is? Yes, yes, that's pretty fun too. Well, I mean it's fun as long as your head because you can be gone first week and you'd see your season's over. But that's that's great. You to some money. There are some chips in there. There's two thousand people at fifty chips per ahead. That's that's a pretty big hood. If you take that home. But man, all I got to pick one winter a week. For that one, I know it's I did it for the first time last year and was going to do just pick against Jacksonville because I figure that's a game, you know, good strategy, and so I had their planning the Eagles, and I had them. And then at the last second, I don't know why. I think I had listened to something earlier where people were really on the bears and people were I really thought the bills would be bad. They're like the bills might be the was team in the League and I'm like, you know what, like I'll say Philadelphia for later. I'm going to pick the bears. And it was like just the the perfect like start to the game, like the bears went like for for four, just like drove down field so easily on the first play the game. I'm like, yes, this is going to be great. The eagles were down like seventeen nothing after the first quarter and I was like man, I'm so glad I made the switch. And then just the rest of the Games happen. The Eagle scored like thirty four points in a row. Yeah, bears suddenly couldn't move the ball at on. It was just it. Oh my goodness, it was. It's a quick way to lose. That lady said. It's amazingly they just having something writing on a game like that is still you'll remember that game years later. Yeah, I remember the Jaguars and the cold game I had. The had the calls because everybody was bigger against the Jaguars, of course, and and they lost the game. I like an eighty or pass playing with under amen about to go and got me out of it and I was in the suicide pal. I was maybe seven, eight weeks and again super excited about my pros in my progress and just killed me. And I haven't watched Jaguars Games and I don't know if you're missing much, although this year I think they might at least be kind of entertaining the watch. Yeah, ortle was supposed to be much better this year, from what I hear. I mean compared to what they've had in the past decade. It I can't can't imagine it's any worse anything like good years. It's true. He's a good, good growing pocket heard...

...for us and now he's now he's giving fantasy advice on a serious X M radio station. is He really yeah, he's got career. Well, he was doing that while he was playing still for a I think this is like the sixth year of it and he just retired last year. So He's good. Um, I mean, I've never followed any league he's been C well, I'm I mean I don't think he is. He's bad necessarily, but I think sometimes when he was making a point, he'd like, because he obviously doesn't get to watch as many games as, you know, all of us sitting on our couches on a Sunday do, because he's busy playing. So he you know, he might see film on like a couple opponents or whatever, but so he he would. I you know, mentioned some guy that was like normally good but it had been like, you know, slightly Hurd or like struggling a little bit or something, and and would like point to him as like, Oh, I think he's gonna he's going to do well this week, and I was like, I don't know actually, but but for having for the most part, he I feel like he knows what he's talking about more than some of the other people on ESPN LC. So what's so what's your Al Like? I grew up in Chicago, so I put myself in that the mercy of the bears. So that was probably my first mistake was picking my team for the suicide pool for week one. You got out of one. Yeah, it was the first week, so it was great. It was that. And then I march madness. My runner up this year was Iowa state, who, you may remember, lost, I think, the second game of the whole tournament, and so I was like, wow, it's like thirty and day one already at that's the ass being a fan with chips on the on the line. Yeah, gotta chips. They'll always get you there. And you're expanding belly here will be person speak for you and take a chunk out of your wall at the same time. Exact works. It's like clockwork. All right, one more NFL question that we can get on it bigger and better things. So I assume you're doing another suicide pool this year. Have you decided on your week one pick, because it's a lot of mediocre teams playing each other and a lot of good teams play next week and right. Yeah, yeah, next next Thursday, a week from to day, it'll start. Yeah, I'm the last way to last minute guy. I'm getting them gathering. That's a gathering my info. Who's going to be good? I just started watching our knocks. H Yes, up dabbled. Yeah, that's that's really good. That shows great and I've missed the last few years, but amazing. Jj Watt seems like a super him. And Yeah, he did. And then Nice got a second episode where he stayed so like thirty s it saying everything, last autograph aftery did extra practice stuff under the lights about what everybody else was gone. I wonder if he was playing to the cameras for that and if I'm sure. Yeah, I mean I'm sure. I feel like he does like to have it up for the cameras a little bit, but I'm sure that was probably a genuine moment. Yeah. Well, he seems like he seems to have a start work ethic than everybody else and it shows on the field. He's amazing. Yeah, we'll see if you can. I if he can beat his pretty a five touchdowns last year. Oh, he did. Yeah, just surred. That's impressive for a defensive en. Yeah, it's not bad. They throw him in on that. I'm goal in place a couple times, so that's always well, yeah, did you see the episode where you he was taken? He was catching passes from the jugs machine with one hand after practice. He was snagging him. That's always remarkable. I've every time I make a one hand to catch in a flat football league I'm in, it's I it's a minor miracle. That's a little extra jolta happy isn't it? Yeah, it is, and you kind of want I just like bounce the ball off the defender to just to rub it in a little more. But are you in a flash football league right now? Um, we're actually in between seasons right now, our last season. So normally we have a team that we play with that's the same, you know, core group of people and maybe there's like one or two that'll rotate. And this past season most of the people were either traveling or, you know, just couldn't commit to because it's Monday or Tuesday nights, you get to pick, so they couldn't commit to like a during the week kind of thing like that, and so they were like now we can't, we can't do it this...

...season. So I, one other guy and myself signed up as free agents and just joined this other team that I think we finished three and three and made the playoffs and then lost by like eight or ten in the in the playoffs to a team that I think, eventually won the whole thing or made the championship. At least. It's throw you as many passes as your your old team did. Know they did not, and the I mean I still got targeted a decent amount, I guess, but it also, you know, helps to know everyone's strength and everything. And for whatever reason we had the first week we had two guys alternate between quarterback, which is fine. It's like, you know, see who's who can do what and all that. And One guy was like very, very solid on his throws. Like occasionally he might, you know, be a little late and like seeing someone, but throws are always like, you know, good spirals and like got to where they needed to be. And the other guy was very fast, like if he could get around the quarter, it was like a touchdown every time. Is like Michael Vicken for like vintage. But he could not. He kind of shot put it it when he threw it and just so many times he just throw up this like jump ball for grabs and I'm just like no, this is not good and like the a couple times he did try to go like deep down the field and it just never ended well. It was almost always an interception or the offensive player would just have to make a great like played a Battt down, but it was and but then he became like the main quarterback because I guess the other guy for a little bit hurt his hand. He had like sprain something in it or something, so he was out for a couple weeks from throwing. But even when it looked like it was okay, towards the end of the season, he still would rarely play quarterback and I was like, come on, man, get the guy that can throw, because I think the other guys in they know you're either going to run and he's gonna Throw. I throw shape fast. You know it's yeah, and and it would it would always be. It was a little rougher because he'd lead the team to touchdown like the first drive and maybe even the second drive, but then the defense realizes, wait a minute, there's like this one way he can be this high school football. I actually didn't know. I was in the band for a couple of years, so got to cut to get on the field that way, but I played clarinet. Still playing clarinet? I'm not now. I gave it up in junior year, after junior of high school, where you inspired to play the clarinet, but from Woody Ellen, I wasn't. I remember when we had our instruments, we got to choose like our first and second choice, and I was all set, like before I'd even played anything. I was like all right, trumpets first choice, saxophone second choice, boom, and then they had like a demo and you could try all the instruments and I could not make a sound on either trumpet or saxophone and I was like this might change my things. Just blowing this thing actually like make that weird. That isn't a natural thing to do. I know it is like, you know a fourth grade are you think, oh, I'll never get this, and so I ended up by despite the fact I couldn't make a sound out of the clarinet either. A lot of my friends signed up for clarinet, so I just went with that too, and many of them left band before we even got to middle school, but I stayed in it for I guess eight years. It's no years of band, my goodness. Yeah, I mean fourth and fifth grade. I feel like it's nice. You have like practice once a week and it's I don't think we've never played any recitals. In fourth and fifth grade. It was just like a teacher would teach like three of us. Yeah, but by high school you're ready to get on the field under the lights. Probably, Huh, exactly. Yeahs are like very poorly choreographed things. What I kind of like those is we had the week of the homecoming game, we'd have a Saturday morning. We'd like March throughout the neighborhood. I'm just playing, yeah, playing like a bunch of songs from there. We're supposed to be like sports related, but the only one I can remember is danger zone, and at the time I like wasn't I hadn't really like I didn't know what danger zone sounded like because really, yeah, I was. I was not really Privy Day. A lot of sup what was that like? Ed S S. I think that was early S. Yeah, I from talk gun right. Yeah, I've never seen talk gun. I have not either, but I all it's great. Probably twice right, so I've got a lot of more years of well, it came about the same time. You're a lot of you see that a lot of years to miss it and I still want to see it. Those part of me was to see. I've also not seen point break, which here I need...

...to see. Yeah, with Keanu Reeves, right, and yeah, with Canna Reeves, Patrick's base. Interesting. One Hour with you know reeves, and he told me, as I was leaving, tell me a story about I said, did you know how to serve before we went down? There's like no, I I learned and I went to a trip to Mexico and the first time I went on the water city. Try to paddle through a wave and then realize that, I mean, there was too much of the board in front of them and you didn't realize that you're not supposed to. You gotta hold on board as the waves coming to they said the board came up and smacked him right and then no bloody knows. And that's how I learned how to surf. For when break it's amazing. I never's like a like a throw a comment. It's that was just like. I'm leaving. Nice media wasn't. I didn't get it on tape. I had the whole I got the rest of the conversation on a tape. That's in in a box right next to me, but not that part. That's just that's just embedded in my in my memory, hopefully last for a while. That's pretty good. I've also never seen point break, but I if you've seen hot funs. I love hot fuzz. Yeah, when they when they reference point break and shoot, your got up in there and yelling. H Yeah, I get the references, but I have not seen the movie. All right, we'll both at it to our list. I mean it's seems like it's on both of our less already, but will actually, yeah, there's a lot better, better movies that I probably should see before that, but that does shit be here the top of list. Just really kitch factor, oh for sure. Yeah, yeah, so what may? I gotta ask You a question? What made you want to do a podcast and what is the idea behind locally source joey? Yes, so the I. I'll give my brother in Loave, Ryan a shout out for the name. So my my blog is called a hot cup of Joey and I've had that for years and years. And so how often you write on it? I try to post something daily because I'll do a lot of just kind of like you know, if I see something interesting or it is like a cool video or something, I'll try to post something about that. I would like to do more actual writing on it, you know, more kind of like long form thought pieces, I guess. I so that'll be a little be a project to do. But I'm also working on some my some other writing, writing things as well. So sometimes the blog takes it backseat to the thing that I'll provide chips. Yes. So, so the ridings that you're talking as you're working on to you. You talked about those on your podcast or is that on the download? That's be for public conception. I can talk about them. I mean there I they're doing. I mean they're they're in various stages of completion. I'm working on a novel that is still I mean it's probably it's probably about like a third of the way done, just like a first draft. Of course, because I here in a novel, I've not now, so it'll be. Yeah, we have the first undertaking of that and I have just a collection of short stories that range from complete fiction to true I also used the baton a life for a couple years and did not have a car out there. So I have a lot of bus stories. Where did you live without a car? I I was in Santa Monica for a year and then I moved in with a buddy and Brent Wood. So still wearing boat work in Bronwood. It was on let's see, if I'm Mayfield, I think was the street. One of those nice swanky houses off of Sama Sety. I know it was a little bit snae's super north up there, doesn't it? It was. It was just north of Wilshure, okay, and it was. Yeah, I was near the swanky houses, but we had an apartment very I used to my college girlfriend that over there right off right on Barrington. Did you go to did you go check out all the OJ landmarks? Lived there? Yes, yes, I. It took me a while after living there that I was like wait a minute, I'm like down the street. So yeah, when, yeah, sought out there and there's a lot of just celebrities still living, I. You know, around there and you'd see like my roommate study went out for a run and and like literally ran into Um, think it was Susan surrounding, who is just also like also out jogging, and they just both like weren't looking like excellent...

I took a friend to a friend that I was college where, that he's from Colorado and he was back in town and it was at right after the Oj trile, all that stuff going down, and so he was in town. I took him by Oj's house and we're driving by OJ's house and Oj was out in front of House, walking in front of his house and like, what's that? fucking Oj Shit went down the street that you turn, came back cry, you know, inch and a long. He's got people to yell at, Happy Ojai, your U, we love you, Ojay. Yeah, it was. It was. It was a very surreal moment because obviously I I like most of America, though he was guilty. So look into the eyes of a guy that can killed two people blocks from where you were right there. It was weird, and then having people just treat them like he was the greatest thing ever. The strange tone of I bet you're a stories are fascinating. Yeah, there's. Yeah, it's a lot of the people you meet there are very interesting characters. But yeah, makes for it makes for good funner for stories being written about him. But you published any of these things, like you said them out, or do you have an agent. What's your what's up of that kind of stuff? Um, now, I think that's still in the pipeline of things to do. I'd like to have at least a few more completed before I start doing that. I am actually I have a friend WHO's in works for a publishing company whose name is escaping me right now. Good friend, was the name. It nod of the company. Her name is stacy. I can kick, yeah, but I really I actually am working on a little personal essay about my dog, who is laying down behind me on a pillow and it's precious. But what's your dog's name? Her name is Frank Sie and she is a Chiweeni so the Chihuahua, docks and mix. It's all that. It's all the like good parts of the docks and with just like longer legs and floppy her ears. What's the good parts of the dogs? And I had docks and growing up and I've lived with other dogsins and my recollection of docks and is loud. Oh, oh, she's not, she's I mean she'll bark occasionally if like a stranger is around, but she'll like she hiccup barks, is what I call it. Or it's yeah, that's way last known and the docks and Barks I'm used to. Yeah, I have met some other docks and who are very yappy, though, so maybe I just got maybe that's the good part of the Chouah all. I feel like Chiuah was would be really happy to yeah, I've been around Chua was to, but I've been around them and I am not a huge fan. But but put those two together, I can make sure that's got a short body or a long tourist though. It's a long torso, long legs, all right. Yeah, she can jump very well. I'm sure she'll have chronic back problems when she gets older. She's about five right now. So it's the torso as long as those regular docs. And Yeah, yeah, really, yeah, that's a Google's Google image post things that hang up here. Yeah, for sure. And if I can plug my instagram too, at Joseph currency you can. I'm doing a picture every day this year of frenzy or just life, just of life. And so she's he makes it into a few of them. And I started before. No, I never have. I started on January ten. I was drinking hot coca and was like it was in a very large mug and had a nice, you know whip cream on it. So I was like this would be a good picture and then I was like, I wonder. I tried to do it once when I was living in La but that was on a camera, whereas this is just on a phone and I like post it to instagram every day. So I like hold myself accountable to it, because sometimes with the camera I'd be like, you know, I'm not always carrying my camera with me, or I'd like forget for a day and then I'm like this is the worst. So I try to do that with a blog. When I was in US and the picture of day I was twenty two thousand and twelve. Check it out. It's on there somewhere, somewhere on Google. You can find it into early April and that one it's a quarter of the air. That's of that trying to do something every single day. I love the concept of my have a good track record on the execution. Yeah, there's there's some days where it's, you know, getting close to midnight and I'm like I you know,...

...it's just nothing that fascinating or knew happen today. So I remember one time, but you just got your eyes a little bit wider. Oh yeah, there's my favorite example of me just having nothing was I was doing some cleaning and I noticed the dust was really I built up on my entertainment system platform. So I made a little design in it and took a picture and that's been one of the least popular pictures. And they could their own dust. Yeah, they could sense it right. Yeah, it just pretty of the pretty up your does at the end of the day. You haven't you're not fooling those guy. I well, I speaking of your stories. Is this? That tails nicely to one thing that I wanted to share with you. I am I after doing these parcel poetry books. I also did a book of stories and with foot bunch of photos I've taken from my various blogs over the years. So and it done. Did a book of poetry for a guy that the guy that owns co owner of by back crown. You had a friend that died and left a bunch of palms, so I helped him get that public. So basically I've done a handful of books already. I'm using in design and my Peter and in create space. So I've decided to start a little book publishing entity called boptimistic books. So I've got three different projects on work on with other people and I'm open to helping other people get their stuff done and done I will do everything from Ed the book help them if people need help with ideas. But basically, if you have a finished manuscript that you believe in, I will copy added it to the design and lay out in a book book form, create the create the cover, with your input of course, push you on my optimistic books website and be fifty partners in selling it, marketing it. That's the business model that I'm going forward with it on this thing because in the past the barrier to answer from how publishing was has been huge for hundreds of years. Last five years, ten years, probably more so. Last five it's it's got a lot easier, but there's still plenty of people that don't feel it, don't feel comfortable adding their own stuff or marketing their own stuff or you just putting their ideas into a book form is anywise. So I can do all that stuff and and you know, living in New York, help get it promoted and all these things. And you know, once you have once you're working with somebody who's not trying to rip you off and because of Standard Book Publishing Contract I think is twenty percent. Maybe I got a fiftyzero dollar book advance in one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven and I think my my percentage of the I was told by my vocation that it was around twenty percent. Maybe it's chained, but it's nowhere near fifty. So that's that's something I'm doing and I'd say that for your listeners and I say that for you too. So if you get to the point where you've you know, ideally, if you want to go with a big near New Year, publisher's going to give you a give you an advance and get your book into into book stories. It's obviously the way to go. But short of that there's options out there and then this thing that I'm doing is mostly going to be a viable option for many people. You got three hand counting. I know a lot of interesting people. I'm I'm about to approach some of them. So it's you could be fun. Not all of them yet. There I'm going to start and I got a list of like a half a dozen of my most interesting people. I friends and people have come across and and even a complete stranger. Do you know? Do you you follow humans in New York? You know this? Yes, I think remember that story back and I think it was in February where he he ran into the endo a kid, thirteen year old kid and Brownsville, Brooklyn, and asked the kid, I think the question was who do you what do you look up to or who just like? WHO's your hero? That kind of that kind of question and he talked about it the principle at a school and so the guy went to the school and talk to the principle and and she had an amazing story in the whole thing just blossomed into this multi tentacle story of this community to school and in the humans...

...in New York community ended up raising over a million bucks for this school for two different programs in a matter, I think, a week. But one of the people featured and then in the court course of kind of expanding on the story was a guy formers, classmate of the principles who've gone to the high school with this woman and he had he had a kind of a tough story and and I'm going to jail and and she and he ended up communicating with some of her students from her school and it's guy had an amazing story of like transforming himself while he was in prison and he was helping, he's helping kids at the school. So anyway, I track down his email address and he's one of the people I don't want to approach about doing a book. So I mean it's if I'm free to ask anybody, I can do is ask, and I have. I'm pretty happy with the stuff that I've already produced and I feel comfortable, you know, approaching people who I feel have a an interesting voice and fascinating story and people whose story I want to share with more people. So that's that's that's the business as one of the things I'm doing. I'm still freelancing and and I've got a documentary, a couple documentary ideas that I'm working on and a lot of stuff out there awesome and I will probably be taking you off on that offer if I can get this into a readable statements some point. Yeah, thats just you know, there's it's the end of the day. I used to be really hum kind of intimidating the thought of doing a book, publishing a book. I mean it was for other. To me and my mind, for other people in the processing near impossible. But now you know we can do it and it's empowering to have a finished product that you've done rather than sitting on a in a file and your desktop. You know, and if you're happy with it, want to, why not get it out there in the world? And then it's really up to you and me and everyone you know to get it in as many hands is is the world's intends it to get into. That's kind of how I like got I would love to feel like every book is going to be sell a hundred thousand copies, but that's not a reality. But it's if you keep going and believe in the people and the pride and the and the stuff that they're putting out there that things will happen in one form or another. It's a twitch of montht yeah, well, because you're just competing with you're competing with so many people are have a voice now and so many forum you know, from blogging to podcasting. It's a it's it's can be overwhelming, you know, and then when you it's so you you're go into wanting to breaking breakthrough and be one of the small percentage to people who can make a living at and make some decent money adding be well known for it up. But you know you're you're competing with tens of thousands and, you know, millions of people, basically. So you have to be realized, realistic about what you get into and go for the sake of doing it, you know, and then you'll find your you'll find you'll eventually, I think, you'll find like the like minded people that will appreciate what you're doing. We're coming from exactly, and that's that's how I'm appressing the stars, to do it for the sake of doing it, rather than this is going to make me the next Dati, sounder roll immediately become a reclus afterwards. Yeah, yeah, and that's what's great about podcast and it's like yeah, you, everybody could be want to be the next Mark Marin, doing it out of your garage. But but at the very least you will have a living record of what you were doing in this little space and time and who you're interacting with and what you were thinking and and you know there's some value and that somebody somewhere is going to get to it. So at some point maybe it'll be by people. Maybe be everybody back home in Chicago, maybe'll be my to my friends and three of my family members, but but it's there, it's it's going to be. It'll be accessible and people, people get stuff out of it in time exactly and die. To wrap up, I always like to to do a top three for you. I'd like to your top three most memorable I cab experiences. Oh my God, it's just so impossible to do three, but I can. I can narrow down...

...a three thematically based on what's in my life right now. My wife, I got married October there, not in Austin. moved to Brooklyn a monthly there and my wife has wrote me into watching the bachelor and the Bachelorrette and now we're full, full and on Baschetor and paradise, which I had never watched before. So so my you know, I got this two degrees a Bob Concept. I got feel like I'm two degrees from almost every pop culture story in America right now and for the last five, ten years. But so Austin, I'm bill, I'm driving my cab and never seen the baschlord before, but I had read a cover story on on Brad will mack, who was bar onner and Austin. He was on a cover people magazine two months after I moved to Austin, so I knew he was. So one night I'm driving down downtown Pros Guadlu Cross Fif Street, Guadalup and met a red light and a guy cross the street. Is that his hand up? He's with a cute bond woman. So like that's that okay, Soho and go through the light. Friend screen pull over and it's Brad Willmack, yeah, and Emily Maynard, and I picked them up on the night that the it was a it was the finale of the bachelor and it was are. It still had not aired on the West Coast and one of my sisters a huge Baschlor Fan. So Anyway, I'm driving drive Brad Willmack and Emily Maynard for a little mini tour of Austin the night that the bachelor are the finale are. That was one of them. Second, Gary Carr Jr. had no I never heard of the guy, didn't know he was. Picked them up one night in my cab and first first thing he tells me from Austin really to go to high school with the Bush twins. Yeah, tells me a great story about bumping into Lauren Bush in the halls at school, and then I come to find out he says he he's a musician and he's he's flying la tomorrow morning to record his first major label album. So I had like a two thousand and twenty five minute ride home with him. That was pretty cool. And then there was the night, though. He if you want three, the third one I that I remember is the night a guy threatened to kill me repeatedly and I had a video of a little handheld video camera that I had taken out after three began making threats to kill me. I added in my last left hand sticking out the window. As I'm driving along, he refused to get out of my car and finally he got to a red light and at the red light he reached across and grab my arm and wrestle the camera out of my hand and both out of the door and took o running. Said but he was he was with a friend and his friend was still in the backseat. So I managed to get the guy's phone number from the friend. The cops did nothing at all, but I got the guy's number and the next day he called me and apologize, felt terrible and ended up meeting me at best buy and bought me a newer, better camera. Well, yeah, there's my happy ending story. Yeah, that's not bad at awsome. That's a long ass answer for three three, three memorable cab Rad storry about that? Oh No, I thought it was fantastic. Was it just unprovoked? His his threat? It was. Well, what happened? was He in, a friend got in the cabin like within four blocks they started punching each other. HMM, it's one one guy in the front, one guy in the back. I'm like, get out, you guys can't be doing this and they bade me to bade me to let him keep, keep taking them and and promise not to do it. And then five blocks later he started doing it again and I demanded to get out and he's said he would, and I'm at that point I was trying to find I have a cop pull me over, so I started driving like a mania sell Congress. You know, we've been back and forth, safely of course, but just trying to get some attention. And the guy had the the passenger or passenger door whye open, had his leg out like so it could keep the door open while I'm doing this and just crazy, and you find turned out he was so wasted and didn't remember most of it and felt so bad about me in cameron the next day. Let's see. That's the Austin or that's the Austin Spin on things? Awesome, with such a positive, wonderful place that even a horror story like that threatened to kill it killed...

...has a happy ending. So we miss you, Austin. We just have to come back to visit sometime. Yeah, well, we definitely come back for Christmas is year, so we'll be back. Excellent, looking forward to it. And two degrees of Bob. Bob timistic books. Where else can we find you online? Oh my God, check out the list on two degrees of Bob. There's a lot of content on that website, but boptimistic books is a place. And then I also have a blog that I rarely right on, but you know, if you guys start reading, maybe'll do more. And so the greatest year of my lifecom check that out. Oh and and let me here's a couple more clocks. I got three podcast that I'm doing. Just started. I got like two or three episodes. These kind of say those. Absolutely. Yeah, sorry, turn this into a big OL plug fest. So I got a two degrees about podcasts also. That's just we just got that on Itunes last week. Very exciting. I have a podcast called by neighbors, with an exclamation point of the end. That's I'm doing that with a guy that I met, this thirty old kid who turned thirty on the day I mc got married and when, and I'm fifty four. So it's an interesting weekly conversation with two different people going out in the neighborhood and I'm talking to our neighbors. Eventually. We haven't done that yet, but we're getting to it. And the third podcast, I'm Dylan. I used to work at a dispensary and Silver Lake and this podcast is called a Marijuanica. That's like America and you know a Marijuanica. So check out out candidate cannabis conversations and that's alsoone I seen and so check them out. Fantastic. Will Do. We'll put some links in the bottom two if I can figure out how to get I feel like the itunes is always so annoying because it's like you'll put a link and then it opens up itunes and then if people haven't updated, it'll be like Oh, update Itunes, and I'm like yes, can you even so? Can you even lane to these podcasts on itunes? I feel like you can. I know I've linked to things on itunes before if it was a podcaster, was just music. I don't know. We'll figure it out. Well, we'll make it somehow. We can link to just I too, as mean before, all exactly, and letters and members in Google. Sleek new logo. Now you can experience that. It keeps throwing me off with the TAB because it's like a different Gen. now I like that. How did too? Yeah, I'M A fan. I like a good job google. Thanks well, Bob. Thanks so much for saying some time to chat. Don't get distracted by football night. Get you're stuff done, showy. Thank you you're reminding me and check up the schedule right now. Excellent. All right, let's talk to you again. All right, said. Get on over to two degrees of bobcom to learn more about Bob maclen, check out all of the fun projects that he's working on. And you know what, even though it's rough week, we're still going to leave you with a joke. What do we want low flying airplane noises. When do we want it? Yeah, good, after today. People, good people cool things is produced in Austin, Texas. If you were a fan of this episode, go ahead and hit that follow button. That helps more people here the show. You can send me a message Joey at good people, cool thingscom. Thank you to all of the guests who have been on good people cool things and check out all the old episodes via good people, cool thingscom. As always, thank you for listening and have a wonderful day.

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