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Good People, Cool Things

Episode 13 · 1 year ago

Building a Writing Community with Deb Eckerling

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Deb Eckerling, founder of Write On and author of Your Goal Guide: A Roadmap for Setting, Planning, and Achieving Goals, joins the podcast to chat about writing communities, the importance of setting (and rethinking) goals, email and social media marketing tips, and super easy cooking recipes that'll make your tummy happy.

Welcome the good people, cool things,podcast futuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers musicians andother creatives, I' Moure hoster we held and today's guest is Deb ecerlingfounder of the right on support group, the community that supports writersacross the Globe and the author of the recently released your goal guide, aRoadmat for setting planning and achieving your goals. Deb, and I talkabout why communities and websites for writers are so important tips forwriting online and in print setting goals and how she knocked out a book injust three months. We also dive into some great Crock Pot recipes because weall have a little master chef in us. Let's dive on in. How did you get intowriting? Do you remember the first piece you ever wrote I' been writing since I was a kid and I have. I think I put this on myresume like years ago before I had anyexperience that I would say as soon as I learned to write, I love to write andI'm pretty sure my first story that I eveer wrote had to do with ice creambecause it's like the best food ever, but it's one of those memories that Ijust don't know how real it is. It sounds real, but yeah I've always had a findess forwriting and then in high school. When I really got into writing, I was allowedto take double writing classes instead of like extra science, so that was justabsolutely throlling and it's just it's always been. The big difference is when I was ateenager. I did a lot of creative writing and since college, it's andbeyond its really been all about nonfiction interviewing people doingarticles which has what evolved into you know, blogging writing aboutwriting and I still do a little bit of freelancing. So did that answer your question? If itI sidetracked a lot hey any sidetrack in that involves ice cream. First ofall, I'm on board with I it. Secondly, I do need to ask: What do you rememberwhat flavor it would have been or if not, what is your goat to ice creamflavor? Well, when I was a kid, it was gold metal ribbon from thirty oneflavors. Yes, yes, and now it would have to be chocolate. Ip Cookie do excellent, both acceptable choices.Thank you, Hu. I was worried. I found this is not icecream, but I found a it's. I don't know if you ever triedleaz cookie dough, but they have a like a chocolate ship,cookie dough that you are supposed to keep refrigerated. So it's almost likehaving like a little bite of chocolate. Ship Cookie, O ice cream, but it's verygood would recommend, and where might I find this alleged leas cook it out? I'mactually writing this down. Excellent excellent have purchased it at whole foods, but I ii know I just saw it somewhere else. Iwant to say it an b out here in Austin, so youbeing in California, I would say:Ralph's probably has it. I will check it out and I do have awhole food. So that's not too far away from me, so excellent, very for surefind it there. Yes, yes, that's what we're here for is the snacks well, andso the first book I self published was Purple Pencil Adventures, writingpromps for kids of all ages, because, oh, if you like tangent you'll lovethis one, I've been leading writers groups foryears and several years ago someone said you're great, with goal settingand helping motivate people when you coach, my daughter, because she's notgetting enough creative writing at school. So this was like...

...five six seven years ago when it waslike. Okay, I'm goin no do something new, I'm going to start Ablod to gowith it. So I started a blog called purple tensil adventures, because Ihave the purple pencils my logo to ride out online, and I was just putting up adifferent writing prompt every week, but the example I use is these are fun. Writing pomps that aredesigned to get kids excited about. Writing. Ind adults can use them to ifthey want to. You know, exercise those muscles and it's for ice cream month inJuly, write about ice cream but be sure to doa taste test. That's a delicious tangent. So what I did was, after I've beencoaching for several years and helping people write books. I said you knowwhat I really need one. So I took my blog post and expanded and that becamemy first self published for a as it were, that's fantastic, and nowI'm just going to be craving ice cream throughout this whole thing, so we'lltry and we'll try and limit any jrooling or any kind of you know, icecream, tangents there and through so through a little onlinecreeping. I I know you've always been very intogoal. Setting and helping people accomplish your goals and setting them,and you know having that sort of process to reach whatever it is you'retrying to achieve, and I viay my little online creeping. I saw that you were inChamberg Illinois when you kind of first got the idea for for right on. Itsounds like which, as someone who grew up in Scoki Illinois, I always lovesying Fello. I suburb of Chicago stories out there. The world is very small, absolutely andmy first fravor freelance writing was for insider magazine which was based inScoki. It truly is a small world, ridiculous right, that's fantastic, that's fantastic! Soso take us back to that fateful day. I back in Shamberg when you got this inspiration. Well, it's really it's sort of likeinspiration found me. I was doing events for Barnsan, nobleand Chamberg and whenever I needed to fill my calendar, I would just hang outin the cafe, because you never know who you would meet. Who would have aninteresting story could leave a WORKSHOPA class. So, of course I got toknow my regulars and one day one of my regulars came over to me and said HADEB.Would you start a writer support group and I said if you think people willcome, I'm happy to give it a try and for me, support group met goal, settinga productivity, so we tried it out. We had maybe a dozen people for the firstmeeting and it was all about okay. What are you working on? What did youaccomplish? What do you want to get done for the next meeting and it was ahit and the best part about it really was. I was helping people, you knowstay on track, but I would never ask anybody to do something that I wasn'tprepared to do myself. So, even if I didn't reach my goal to like tenminutes before the meeting, I would get it done so I would alwayswant to set a goal and atcheat it along with the rest of M, my comradesin the Group- and this ties back to Skoky my goal. Youlove this. My goal was so I've been out of journalism school for...

...not that long, but long enough to youknow want to be writing. So I would write a spect Colun. You O slice oflife, sorts of article for Ach meeting. That was my goal and I had been workingin this really motivated me to keep writing to have something done. I don'tknow if we were doing it monthly or every other week at that point, but I I had you know a little what's word. I started writing and storing upstories. So when I had must have been leading the group,maybe six months, maybe a little bit longer and I was at an event and thisperson from inside or magazine was selling subescriptions, and I saidthat's all on good, but are you looking for writers? Well, do you have anyclips? Well, I had articles because I've been writing them for my golfseving group through Barns and noble, and they actually not only did theyhigh meonas feelancer. They published one of my stories that I Brit on back,so it was not only was I motivating other people to second rage goals. Iwas motivating myself and that's really where you see things work is when itworks for you right yeah. I think that's super helpful.With of really any kind of goal you have whether it's to writemore to help other people like that is kind of the the old walk in the walkright. where, if you, if you're just spewing out stuff people, I mean theymight listen, but they're probably going to be a little more skeptical.But if you can point to things of like Hey, I did this and look at the results.Like that's super cool. It really is, and that's just aphilosophy t at that. I've just been ingrained in me and it's so it was astrictly writer support group. We can, we can do my journey and like theshortest way possible. So, several years later I moved to California acouple years after that I started up. The group again was a bornsinoble inSanta Monica which unfortunately no longer exists, but we ran there forseveral years and then around two thousand and seven two thousand andeight when people started going online, that's when I created the blog forright on online and did more of the online motivation and for a while itwas an online group. H, shill always focused on goalsetting a productivity,and then I think it was around two thousand andtwelve. I started the live version again, but at that point I expanded itto Mbrace, so it was writers, creatives, an entreneurs, because if you're oneyou're, probably the other two as well, everybody needs writing. Especially inthis digital era, whether they're promoting their business or showcasingtheir expertise, I love it. Look at US both both Speakinto writers, creatives, an entrepreneurs. It's like mines from the midhwestliving other places can't be bat, magical, magical, yeah living living inwarmer places for sure. Definitely definitely so I would love to chat about the righton newsletter in particular, because I think email marketing is such a obviously like a popular avenue butstill kind of an untapped one. I feel like for a lot of companies. I think most people would generallyagree that email is a useful tool, perhaps they'd even say an importanttool, but I would venture that particularly a lot of writers, maybe don't utilize their mailing listas much as they should, and part of that is just kind of gettingout there and testing what works, and...

...you know experimenting a little bitwith your content that yyou're serving out to people. But can you talk abouthow you've helped grow this list over the years? Organically is the first word that Ihave to mention, because I have always just even my my facebook i'v. neverused any advertising for any of my websites, which a lot of people wouldthink is ridiculous, but I kind of like the authenticity of it all- and Iremember my original email list was back when you would like use your emailservice. You would write something and you would copy in pace and blind copypeople into the email list, and my list started with a just regularpeople would come to my group, you know: Do you want to stay up to date? Put meon the email list: okay, great, what one of my my favorite instances. So this weretalking in the early ish two housand one of my friends. Now she lives in Aslo and she was in Santa Monica and Isaw her before meeting. She joined the email list and I sent it out and thenshe started replying and that's how we became friends. This woman, I met onewho lives in a different part of the world. We became friends because shestarted replying, and this is before everybody was on social media either. So I'm not answering your question. Let meask your question, so I started by developing my email listby having a conduat for the people who ever attended one of my live meetingsto connect online and, as we grew into social, I join male champ. I still useit, it's so easy. If you're looking for a starter email service, I woulddefinitely recommend it because it's its point and click and move thingsaround and copying paces. I'm sure and you can get a little bit fancy, but youdon't have to be fancy right. So then I have in bedlingks and in the way that Irun my newsletter, it's community newsletter. So, yes, I promote my bookand my events and I let people know what's going on with me, but I alsoopen it up. So when other people have cool things going on, they can send me their information and sometimes I'll get these signups that Ihave absolutely no idea where they came from and other times it's after everyevent. I've got my list still use the paper and pen. So it's the best way. Ithink to develop and Groy your email with is to employable tactics. You wantto be able to meet people and give them the opportunity to sign up, but youalso want to have the electronic resource, so people who are connectedwith you online can also have access to your information excent. I love that you, you mentionedthe community aspect of it to which I think is really a big key for any emailmarketing campaign. Any newsletter to be successful is to have that sense ofcommunity because you kind of want to think of it like you're, justinteracting with one person when I'm one or a smallgroup, and you wouldn't come up at least I would hope not if I was justwalking down on the street. You wouldn't come up to me and just startshouting about all the things you have to sell. You O you D, share theseresources, you'd be more conversational and and building a relationship likethat, and and at least for me, receiving emails that those are theones that resonate the most with me that are actually like. Oh yeah, I cansee myself in this person's shoes or,...

...like here's, a great resource that Ididn't know about, and now I've learned more about whatever thet email is about every now and then I get one of thesethings that say: Hey do you want to be part of the summit? Well, you have tosend a dedicated email out to your people and I say that's lovely. Thank you. However, I'm happy to include it in an email,but I haven't thus far. I didn't even do a sola email for me when my bookcame out. I'm certainly not going to break that triend for someone who isn't me right, I think that's fair, but there their work in heath, theother, the other other other other things. When you're I have people who Iget in I'm on a lot of emaillists and I should probably be unfuer but II, never know. If there's somethinggood, you know fommo, I don't want to miss something really cool, but theemails that I get in all it is is. This is all about me, and this is what I didan by this thing and by this that and is like really no, you made absolutely no attempt toconnect with me a personal level and your email is all about you. It'sanything you're doing shouldn't be about you. It should be how you arehelping others, and I think that that's that's really. That's a secret tosocial for get newsletters social media. The first word is social and social is not Sou, it could includeSelly, but it's not about how the person who'ssending the informationwil benefit is how the receiver can utilize resources. Yes, I love that look at that breakingdown words to have helpful advice. I try and I think that senguiys pretty nicelyinto your book, which came out earlier this year, so congratulations on yourmost recent forray into book. Writing your goal guide a Roadmat for settingplanning and achieving your goals. What's what's the writing process likefrom moving from like a newsletter or blogto a full fledged book? Well, first of all, thank you and I love my book so much. I just haveto add that in and for we were talking about before about how Wen you do things for you andyou do the things you teach others, it works out better right. So your goal died. Has My goalsetting process called the deadmethod, which is determine your mission, explore your options, brainstron yourpath, and so I basically created the dead method using the dead method andthat's also kind of how I wrote my book. I originally was going to selfpublishand I wrote out a nice workbook type book and it would have been my thirdself published book. It was I'm telling the story completely backwards. IApologize, but no I like it. It's a very it's verymomentoesque. I like it you're welcome so about two years agomy primary cligt was going away and I had to look at what I was doing and Idecided it was an omen to fully embrace my goal, setting geane and we branmyself. So we branded as a dead method using the deat method and part of thatwas writing a book which had my system...

...for figuring out what you want and howto get it the dead method, so ias also to do this, and I met an agent actuallywas an agent. I had heard speak like eight years before at a differentworkshop, but someone in my live group met him at an event, told them about mygroup. We had a phone calld, we realised we knew each other before Iknew it. He said so where's your book proposal and I told him I was planningto sell, publish and he said why don't you write a book proposal and see if Ican sell it, and so I did. The process was really quick. We spoke in Maymigmay. He had a book proposal, he had one tweek and he sent it out twice oncein the summer ones, in the fall and in the Fallo Mingo publishing my publisherexpressed interest and we went back and forth couple versions of my bookproposal later. They said okay, green light, and that was last April. Iy Odthe contract in January, the book came out. So if you know publishing, that's prettyfast, that's pretty awesome and what the process. I will answer yourquestion. I promise between the books that I had written previously and thisone is. I had the outlines from the bookproposal and I suggest this to my clients in my community all the timethat, even if you are planning to sell publish the book proposal is reallyyour bff, because it gives you the guideline for the purpose of your book,the intent of your book. It encourages you to figure out your marketing planand the different elements that are going to make up each chapter, and it was. I wrote my book in threemonths after we had the final book proposal, so it really did me greatguideline and it was so much fun because it was basically just pointingout all the stuff that was in my head onto the page, which is fun, which is alot of what I talk about in your goal. died is very it's mostly brainstormingand writing. Based exercises to help you figure out what you want and how toget it, because I believe everybody should live their goaltopye. Everybodyshould think about what they want and then they ca plan to achieve it, andthe book helps you figure that out. That's awesome and I would certainlysecond the idea of, even if you are Planning Tho self,publish to think about your proposal, a d and tocraft out a proposal bas its someone who's in the process of doing thatright now, it has been very helpful to be like okay. What else is out therethat is similar to this, like? What's my kind of target market and kind ofthinking of the ideal reader that I would have, and it really does helpwith the the overall marketing, and I think that can be applied to a lot ofdifferent things, to not necessarily just writing a book and so kind ofmapping out what that proposal looks like for me, and it sounds like for.You was super helpful. It really was, and it also helps youget excited about your project, and I will add this to. If you don't lovewhat you're working on you shouldn't be working on it it you need to be in a position whereyour excitement and enthusiasm is going tocome through your fingers to the words because that's what's going to getpeople excited your excitement, that's going to drip onto the page and reallyengage our reader or if it's a podcast, a listener or if it's a screenplay, theviewer yeah. I think that you can always tell in writing and obviously with podcasting.Fortunately, I have not spoken to...

...anyone on this podcast that reallyhated what they do. Maybe maybe they hated a previous thing they were doingbut yeah you can. You can always tell like I've done interviews before withpeople where they're, just like you know this as kind of what how my lifeis and I'm like more like, be excited about ther like thisis, a cool thing,you're doing so love love here, ind, the passion thank Yom you've touched on this abunch, but have there been any sort of marketing avenues that havesurprised you that have worked well or any kind of like you know crazy thingsyou've seen out of having your book live for a few months now. All I cantell you is especially coming from someone who's used to writing aboutother people being put in the position of answering the questions. Is it's mind blowing? It's awesome,it's amazing, but I would I would say that that's the one thing that's kind.It's I like to talk. Anybody who knows me knows this. Anybody who speaks to mefor five minutes knows THAs talking about yourself as opposed to promotingother people, which is normally my wan are completely different efforts, but Iwould say- and I don't know surprising- I think it's just cool. Ithink in going back to my youth, which is what I startedwriting it's also. I did competitive public speaking in highschool college and I don't care how old you are if you'renot practicing speaking start, because that's a skill that Iused more than ever in my life- and this is someone who's led workshow fouryears as well. But when you s when it comes to talking about yourself, it's acompletely different baste. So it's something you have a very quicklearning curve on your comfort level. I like that and totally agree withspeaking. I never did competitive public speaking, but I did take oneclass in college and itotally agree like if I was not at allprepared for a speech it showed. So I certainly don't have to memorize thingsline for line byt. It helps to practice for shore and we live in an age wherethere are plenty of opportunities to practice. You can do videos, you canhost a podcast, you can guest on other people's videos and podcast and it's fun just have bun. That's the keylove. What you're doing have fun talking about it and get people excited exactly, and you can even practice athome. Even if there's you know just do it in the mirror, while you're gettingready for bed or like theres, there's so many opportunities for I'm thinkingback now. Now, I'm just being nostalgic since you've been going back to youryouth and writing about ice cream, but when I would- and maybe this wasplanning the seeds of getting into podcasting, but when I was a kid, Iwould mute like basketball and baseball games and just be the announcer and, like you certainly on baseball, you canget off into some terrific tangents just because you there's so muchdowntime in between pitches and even it's like a weird. You know nine or tenyear old ID I'd be like all right. Well, that was ball. One so acounts want tonow, and you know, a fan in the stands out. There is really enjoying theircracker Jack box and, just like I mean W at who does that? Kids? Don't do that?That's not a normal thing, but it was just a fun way to practice,something that I was interested in, which was radio and TV, which eventually is whatI went to college for, and I like to...

...think podcasting being the spiritualsuccessor to radio. Even though they can they can. Co exist together, butjust it's. It was a great opportunity and if someone had walked by and saw medoing, that, they'd be like well that's kind of strange, but it was goodpractice and I think it's certainly helped throughout my life. I thinkthat's fantastic and one of the main reasons that that Ilove my book so much Thotgh, I'm so proud of my book. The purpose of mybook is very simple: We go through life and change happens, whether it's bychoice or by circumstance. You get to a point where you have to dosomething different. You need to figure out what life you want and set clotesto achieve it, and my book is basically a simple road map to help people get intouch with the things they love Tho things. They want set goals and figure out how to achievemen and go from a life of to the life of joy and beyond. I likethat, Alifa tolive, a joy, that's a good! That's agood upgrade! Well shouldn't everybody be happy and at least part of theirlife, even if not all of it. I think so. I don't think that's toomuch to ask now. So let's tell you have a terrible commute and you hate yourjob, but you want to joy, think about what that looks like andhow you can find a way to put it into your life, and then you make a plan toget it or you want to make a big life change.Okay. This is what I want. How do I get it? These other steps? I love it we'regoing to we're going to get to some actional advice in just a moment, but Ialways like asking my guests: What is a question that they wish people askthem more frequently and I ix years, because I feel, like you've got a goodanswer for this. I is what is something few people know about you. First of all,I love the question about asking me to ask a question. I want to know what question you thinkor what? What d you think I'm going to answer? Oh, I have no idea, but I feellike if that was the question you must have some some wonderful sort of altarego or secret hobby, or something like that. I really, I think, you're going to bedisappointed. The the thing that very few people knowabout me is that up until three years ago I didn't really like to cook and about three years ago I got aninstant pot and it changed my life. It was like the easiest way to turningredients into food, but there's like an extra bonus to it. Is it's reallythe best time management tool? Because are you familiar with instant pot? Yes, yes, yes, okay!So if you're not is like a fancy hatchur cooker that can make a wholebunch of different things and what I love about it is, you can, you know,set up your soup set up your mack and cheese set up your whatever, and while your food is cooking, you cango be productive, doing something else for five ten fifteen twenty minutes. Sonot only do you have a delicious Neal you've worked towards your goals and isWinlin Winlin wit. That is fantastic. I am notdisappointed by it, but I will ask what your favorite thing to cook is. I think I just said it. I love likesuper okay, perfect fo. Anything from the the easiest, of course, is theCOSCO chicken and chicken broath and vegetables, and US throw everything inwater, of course, soup,...

...and then you turn it on. It comes topressure cooks for like twelve minutes, and so you've got like twenty minuteswhere you can do just about anything, and it's like found time right becauseyou would have been cooking, but the food is doing it for you, it'sbrilliant, it's a brilliant invention and I agree, I think it's. I think it'swonderful and I think it really. I mean for both you and I had has, I would say, brought into our cookinghorizons because I know there's definitely like I've made more things than Iprobably would have thanks to instant Potso shotup. It always just cracks me up if I'm inone of the instant hot groups and someone asks a cooking question, and Iknow the answer and I jump in because that was never me. I didn't have theseanswer. I mean I could I could make things I didn't starve, but gettingexcited about trying different things is really it's a pit about what youknow. Some people paint some people draw. I don't do either of those, but Ican mix things together and then I get to eat yeah I mean that's agood skill. Anything anything involving eating- I am all for mmm what in when Iwas the summer before college. I worked short order at a country club and Iremember they didn't like to chew. This is how Iwas trained, so I actually learned how to make really good chop. Salads alwaysbeen good at vegetables, and now I get to use that chopping skill for Su. So so it's anyway yeah. It'sit's a an acquired skill that has really served you well throughout life. Itsounds like, but it did. But if I tell you if you would asked me like fouryears ago to have a conversation about about soup, I wouldam like well, okay, I would go online and I wouldlook up a recipe and ou. You know very systematic and who has time for that.It's just much easier. I feel like I'm giving this topiclittle bit too much time, but the other thing is like Mac andcheese. Easy. Do you make macancheese in yourinstant pot? I've dabbled, but I probably don't doit as much as I should, because I love macand cheese, it's so good! Well, it is, but the way thatyou make it in the instant higt is even better because it's- and I just madethis yesterday so top of mine, but do cups, Bro One cup, water, two and ahalf cuts to noodle little bit of butter turn on the Instam hot for sixminutes and then what I do is I've got pasta, some becomes Mac and cheese.Some goes into other foods, though easy fun delicious and it's Mac andcheese. It's magical, mackan eogical. I guessit's mactical and don't even get me started on how easy it is to feelharboil EGS. Well, that's I mean Easter's well, Iwon't say that, because I don't know wonderful Ar, but Easter is somewherethe in this year. Hard bold eggs are always fun and easy,and if you've ever like suffered trying to feel them- and you can make them in the instantpot and they feel magically easy again giving this topic way too much wonce.Do we want to talk about? Well, we can. We can help peopleaccomplish their goals and be more...

...productive, which, again all about thesegues tat, was very nicely into the top three I'd like to hear what are the toughthree things that people can do. I would say right now, but let's sayafter this episode after they finish listening to this episode, what arethree things they can do to help them, reach their goals and rethink them. Well, the first thing they should do torethink their goals is to meditate and meditate is different for everybody.Meditate Mi be playing video game and might be ticking wall, or it might justbe thinking and really think close your eyes and think about the life. You want.That's really the first step, because if you don't whant, you want you can'tachieve it, that's the first thing they can do. Thesecond thing is something I call directed Journaly, which is basicallyjournaling with focus, and this is how it works. You want to schedule at leastthree fifteen minute sessions with yourself, during which time you're justanswering a simple question. What do I want? What does that? Look like andyou're? Just brain dumping and what you want to do you want to do this at leastthree times and the trick is don't look at them until after you've donethis exercise for multiple times, because you brainstorm three four fivetimes when you look through your journal entries, you will see commonpatterns. What you really want and the things that excite you are going tojump off the page at you and those are the things that you'r you want to. You want to explore more so visualize do some directedjournaling Gosh, that's tro! Okay! The third thing is come up with the missionstatement. Think about what you want, why you wantit, but also how it could help others, because any mission with an externalgoal is going to serve you better than something that serves yourself. And soyou take what your life looks like you're, journaling to figure out. Youknow a little bit more concrete vision of it and then a mission in thatmission, which you would then shorten to a model. So that's three and a halfthings is what you want to look at and think about. As you're working towardsyour goals, it's your compass, your eye and the prize, and that's going to help.You Beg much more successful, Ilove it. I love it. Thank you! Well, DBYOU are officially off the hook.Thank you so much for coming on the PODCAST. Well, thank you so much forhaving me this has been a quite unexpected different than normal kindof conversation and completely enjoyable. So thank you for yourinterest in your ting excellent. That's what I like to hear outside the norm,but still a good time, and if people want to find you either you or the demmethod or anything in between. Where can they find you? Well, they can go to the deaf methodcomto find out all about me, my coaching, my servicees Etceta. I am the deadmethod pretty much everywhere and you can find your goal guide a road matpfor setting planning and attuting your goals at your favorite bookstore online,or you can go to your goal. Guid Bookcom will take you right to theAmazon link, fantastic everyone go check that outand let me know what goals you're achieving, because I was. I was like hearing peoplekicking but out there, and what is your goal? Well, I had mentioned earlier on thatI'm in the midst of a book proposal, so my goal right now is to finish that andthen to continue writing that book and...

...getting it out into the world. Well good for you. I have faith, youcan do it. Keep me posted, thank you and yes, well,do we'll do in the meantime. My goal right now is to tell you a terriblejoke to end up this episode. So let's do it! You want to hear a joke aboutpaper. Oh so much! Yes, please never mind it's terrible good after its today,peopl crown. That's what we're going for. I thegrounds.

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