Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 14 · 1 year ago

Building Communication Skills with Ian Roth


Ian Roth of Talking Llama Media helps leaders by empowering them to speak and communicate confidently and effectively. He also runs two different podcasts, the Get Heard Podcast and The Talking Llama. We're chatting leadership, communication, and podcasting tools and tricks.

Welcome to good people, cool things,the podcast featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers musiciansand other creatives. I'm your hoster! We held an today's guest as Ean Rothfounder of githeard media EAN runs the GITHERD podcast, as well as the talkingLama podcast chatting about leadership and podcasting respectively. ANDIT'sgot lots of great ideas and advice on all sorts of leadership topics being abetter communicator being more effective with feedback productivity,lots of good stuff we're going to get into all of that, as well as a funlittle gamification of podcasting. That in is cooking up. So let's hop right oninto it and Ian. Thank you for joining the podcast and to start how did getheard media get off the ground. I started with the GETHERD podcast, whichis about leadership and communication, just leveraging all the stuff. I'velearned over the last ten or twelve years between the civilian WorldMilitary World, and I noticed that leaders, at least in myorganization, phenomenal leaders, but were just atrocious when they got up infront of people and had to speak somewhat competently in front of thegroup, and they were just terrible. Like my really good friends got up andhad to give a brief when we were in Afghanistan and like I was counting, itwas like a two and a half minut brief. Like Dude, you said I'm thirty threetimes in two and a half minutes. No, no there's no way hell. I did it. I'm likehad someone else like yeah man counted thirty three times, and so that wasthat was a theme that I saw among a lot of my peers and I'm, like you know what Ithink that there should be something to kind of teach people to bebetter communicators, better public speakers and better leaders. So that'swhat started me with the GETHERD podcast about. I think I started that shoot early end of last year, earlythis year, sometime, awesome and was that your first kind of forey and Tepodcast or had you had you dabbled in there before I dabbled in there Istarted one. It was called the High Hopes Initiative in July of Twentynineteen. So right, when I got back from Afghanstan, I wanted to dosomething with podcasting and the high hopes initiate initiative was just apodcast about kind of leadership. Very all over the place just tried to see ifI could first like produce a podcast. If I had like the mental capacity andtechnical skills to do so and then like, if I could keep a consistent basis ofproducing content- and I started doing it just twice a month because didn'tknow what was going to go on with my life and like so I was just doing thefirst and fifteenth of every month and episode and, like you know what I cando that maybe for the New Year I'll try doing onceone a week. You know I just thought that was so crazy to be able to do that. Muchbecause, like I ha fulltime job, don't have a lot of time: wife, three kids,but stepped up to the plate and January of this year and have been producing aweekly podcast ever since that's awesome, congrats on all of that andyeah. Thank you, as, as far as I'm glad you said, you've got a wife, threeyoung kids, full time job. A lot of listeners of this show do kind of havethat sort of side hustle where I they're either. You know working on a second business, or maybe they dosome freelancing, but oftentimes do have a full time job that is givingthem pretty busy. So how are you able to consistently produce a podcast weekafter week and you've got a lot of other projects that will be touching onthroughout the episode? But what have you found to help with thatproductivity and focus? You have to be efficient andintentional with your time that, like you have to so there are some thingsthat you can only do when you are by yourself, and it is quiet around you solike for me. It's when my kids are in...

...bed, which is neither super early inthe morning or late at night. So I know during those times I is when I can dorecording those times and only those times so granted. I do enjoy spendingtime with my wife when the kids are in bed, so also have to weigh that and, asI'm sure many of your listeners enjoy spending times with their spouse. Butagain the only times I can actual record audio an a somewhat controlledenvironment. Then, like the editing, I edit, all my other all my own podcastso doesn't need to be quiet. To do that, I can do those with headphones withoutheadphones kids screaming whenever so I can do those, maybe when the kids areup playing or watching a movie I'll sneak off with my computer and docementiting, while I'm there hanging out with them so being intentional anddeliberate with your time and then, of course, if you're able to for solo orinterview episodes batch recording. So when you're able to capitalize on thatquiet undisturbed, time crank out as much content as you can. While you havecontrol of the situation and environment and then the great thing about podcasting andmini hosts podcast hosts like the hosting platforms, not you and I ashost posting platforms, is that you can schedule your content to be releasedwhenever you want it to so, you can make eight shows in one day and thenhave you know eight weeks worth of content and have your podcast hostautomatically release them over the course of that time, so that that's,how I do it and that that's what wors for me totally back up the idea of match. Recording again, younever know what life is going to throw it you, and if you have a chunk of freetime where you could record several episodes, why not go for it sodefinitely agree with that yeah you definitely have to, and my job is veryunpredictable and could just be pulled away for weeks ormonths on end, so having a good backlog of contents anyway, in the shootalready ready to go just waiting for that date to come and it gets releasedto the public is huge and it just gives you gives me a huge piece of mindknowing that if I miss a week or something unexpected comes up, that Ihave content ready to go out and I'm not going to miss a week and as far asthat content goes, do you create a content calendar either for a month orquarter, maybe even for the entire year of the kind of topics and areas thatyou want to focus on, or does it more so depend on the different guests thatyou're able to get in touch with? So it is very, very guests dependent at thispoint, as I'm kind of I just really want to get well spoken and and good people on myshow what can put out good stuff to benefit my listeners so whatever if itrelates to leadership, communication, publicspeaking or podcasting. I am all about getting those folks on because I knowfrom listening to their stuff that they will have valuable content for mylisteners so kind of all over the place. I know, as I get more serious anddetailed with this venture, that I will make a deliberate kind of calendar ofwhat I want to talk about on specific weeks or months, but ind that regard no.But for my solo episodes I will, as ideas come in my mind, take notes in myphone and then I will be more deliberate about where I place thoseepisodes throughout the weeks and months so a little bit of bothfantastic yeah. I think it's you know in the ideal world you haveeverything planned out well in Riance, but then I mean I don't know about you, butsometimes I'll meet someone where I'm like. Oh, I need to get you on here andma absolutely bit, but like you're, cool and like you've got a lotof good things to share so definitely want to kind of get you in there. Atsome point. I'm sure you've experienced something similar to this when you'rechatting with people that podcasting is just such a great way to meet NewPeople. To like you, you know you get to interview a different person everyweek, an in the case of you and I we met on a website called spotaguest, andI don't I mean, would our pats have...

...ever crossed? If not for that yeah, I don't think so. I meanpodcasting is like a new form of social media. Almost I mean you can meet allthese awesome people and then, like you, immediately have something in commonbecause you enjoy podcasting. Your podcast could be about somethingcompletely different from mine, but we just have that podcasting interest incommon, absolutely, and especially now, with people practicing socialdistancing, go out and listen to your podcast or, if you've ever been wantingto start one yeun and I are both happy to answer questions and you haveanother podcast that focuses on podcasting. So tell us about that. I doit's crazy, so I didn't think that I could produce content like on aconsistent weekly basis. When I first started in July of last year, and now Ihave two podcast, which is freaking nout, so yeah thanks for bringing thatup. Jo, it's called the talking Lama, podcast and my website is talking, Lama,media and it's exactly what you said: man, it's a podcast about podcast kindof helping plant, the seed or maybe water, theseed in people's minds, who are thinking of starting a podcast kind ofgiving some resources all totally free and connecting these people to otherpeople who are podcasters and interested in making podgast. So it'sbeen awesome, Wi' going to do some cool stuff with it connect some really coolpeople together, and you know just kind of take it from there awesome. And can you give us just thethe quick little scoop of your home studio, what alls in it my home studio? So I'm sitting behind aroad procaster, and that is like the pinnacle of my technological prowesshere, which is a phenomenal microphone and then I'm looking at. I have acouple foam things taped to the wall, to make myself believe at some sort ofsoundproofing mechanism and then right in front of me. I have a little pieceof wallpaper that it looks like wooden board that was supposed to be fancy andprofessional, but actually is not big enough, so it looks really reallycheesy and then I have an American flag, which is probably the best piece ofdecorative art in my studio and then, of course I have my two thousand andtwelve. I Mac here also two thousand and twelve and still kick in. I like it.It is still kicking good investment and I I don't know just take good care ofit and have a couple external hard drives with all my junk on it to keepthe memory, I guess free and and sharp going back to the American flag. Ishould note that, in addition to being a nice, decorative piece of art on yourwall also serves as a nice way to help but keep sound bouncing to a minimumand try and redue some echo and reverb that might show up. Otherwise, that istrue, so I mean, if you, if you guys, are worried or have really terriblereverb in your space, because I'm just in an extra bedroom that borders thestreet and the sidewalk. So I pick up like all this ambient noise just throwsome like towels or blankets against your wall, and it does dos a prettydecent job, any kind of stuff against the wall. It really does- and this isgoing back to the company that I work for when we were doing our podcast. Webought a lot of that acoustical foam as well, and then we moved offices into amuch more. We had been working in a house that was converted into an officeand then moved into more of an open collaborative space. The lot of officesare going for these days, and so our conference rooms are like glass, doors,glass windows and pretty terrible for yeah, really kind of recordingsituation. So we got a full on like almost like a shower rod curtain tolike put across the entire wall and hang up and we'd hold the curtain onthere and it worked effectively. Although I will say that getting it up,there was quite the hassle because you basically had to shorten it and thenlike widen it out inch by inch until it... to the part where it would likesecure itself and every once in a while. We'd think, like we've got this andthen mid episode, we'd be interviewing a guest and it would just all crashdown, which is pretty terrifying. If you'renot seeing it happen. So we have no Kiddin, you jumping guests and ofcourse I do apologize. Boke, this doesn't always happen. It's totally funright, but yeah. Just you definitely don't need to invest inanything super crazy to get a podcast off the ground for sure definitely and with with usbmicrophones, I mean, if you get a half decent USB microphone. Your soundquality will be good enough to produce some professional stuff for sure and there's ways where you cankind of game. A five podcasting a little bit, which is if having twopodcasts and a family is not enough. You've also started POTXP, which Ithink is a wonderful idea of kind of turning podcasting into a little bit oflike an RPG style game. So where did that idea come from and how can peoplelearn more about it all right? So thank you for bringingthat up. It's like. We talked about this stuff for the podcast. I mean manor you're, just reading my mind, which is also possible yeah, definitely, noso POTXP. So we were sitting here in this quarantine life and on Marchtwentieth. Two Thousand and twenty a big thing happened during this quarantytime and that was, animal crossing was released for the Nintendou switch so totally sarcastic. Now I mean it justit was released on that day, but so it's again my wife played as a child. Inever heard the thing. I was not a big Nintendo person growing up, but it'slike a little RPG for kids really, and here I'm thirty, two and she's thirtyon this is a game we play. But besides the points just kind of thinking, youknow RPG, it's so cool. You can do this stuff. You are youon likeachievements in this little world doing stuff, and you know I, like Video GameSky Ram, all these other pgs, also like podcasting and like well. What? If?What? If you cud kind of tied the two together and then I think, ready player.One came into my head as I was sitting there like what I guess you could and like.Well, what would? How would you do that? Well, you could, with your podcast, dodifferent things which would be achievements, because that's video Gamisomething you want to do when you're playing video games and with doinggetting these achievements, you could unlock experience points well. Whatwould experience points go to in a podcast? Well, they would add to yourlevel yeah, yeah, sure, okay, so then I started thinking this and coming upwith some things and kind of came up with this concept. That's called pod XP.So a couple of the achievements I just happen to have the paper sitting on mydesk, not intentionally it allways just sitting here from earlier today, solike an achievement called broadcaster one so get a hundred downloads of yourpodcast overall gets your fifty experience. Points go into. Let's see, influencer one, a thousand followers onany of your social media accounts gets you five hundred experience points old,faithful, one is an achievement, so upload a podcast episode. Twoconsecutive weeks will get you two hundred fifty experience point so stufflike that stuff that we should be doing as podcasters in the first place. If wewant to have any order of success in this craft, just kind of make it fun,make it exciting and make you kind of hold yourself accountable and haveothers who are involved in this hold you accountable, also and make you know,make it a little competitive and again fun. I keep saying fun: Have Some Funwith it? Yes, it's I know when we were talking about this. You brought upPokemon as well as kind of a an influence on this, and I I rememberplaying I mean I was a couple years beand the curve with the originalpokamon games of red and blue, but I remember like playing that game. Somuch and just you know, even the crappiest Pokemon, like I'd, get a wheedle forall my my Gen wanners out there a I was... Oh, I need to get this wheedleinto a CACOUNA into a bedrill, and then you know after it's hat like level.Forty I'm just like. Oh, this is as good as it gets. o O Trash wasted a lotof time S, but that's part of the joy is like growing your team and goingfrom like Oh, I start with my one pokemon at the start of the game. Toeventually catching I mean, if you, if you're really committed getting all oneondred and fifty one which involves some trading and some, I guess, if you,if you had to like, go to a special event to get a mew. Although I recentlylearned a couple years ago that mew is in the game, you can force a glitch tohappen and get get yourself a fancy, meaw yeah. I know it is glith involvedan I'm glad. You bring up pokemom because the leveling system is likeactually based off of the formeal for Genuon Hokeman. So I found that on theInternet and I plugged it into excel, and I have all the way out to levelfifty like the XP required and stuff like that, based off of Pokemon Gen onso bringing some nostalgia in there I think could be a lot of fun. So Iencourage everybody to check it out. Looking at doing a four week kind ofBata test to see what I need to tweak with the kind of XP values and any ofthe leveling stuff so go to talking, Lamacom Forwardpod XP learn more signup right there and hoping to get a whole bunch of people involved, and Ithink it's you touche on this a little bit it beyond it, just being a fun sortof competition. It's also a great way to network and learn about otherpodcasts, and perhaps you know maybe this this community, you find someother good podcast guests for your show on it maybe shows that you could appearon and it just a really creative way to network beyond a lot of facebook groupsthat have popped up where those kind of ultimately just be. You know they endup being hey, listen to my podcast and then thirty other people come ant, heyhere's my podcast too, and that's less building relationships and more justkind of throwing links out there, and so I think this is a really clever wayto both grow your podcast and meet a lotof new people yeah. I can't stand the people that just blast their theirlinks all the time and that's it like you know, talk to some people and I Ithink this will be really cool, because if you see someone absolutely crushingit who's just blowing through the levels fastthan anybody be like Hey GuyGallik. What are you doing? You know LE. Let's have a conversation. I want totake my game to the next level. What or some things that you're doing that-maybe I don't know of or I'm not seeing for mine and then kind of help, eachother out, so yeah definitely awesome tool for networking fantasticwellooking forward to being a part of the Beta test. Ibelieve I'm invited. So you are yes. I have your invitation in my inbox. I'mGOINGNA be fine tuning the rules that I'm going to send out to Ol theparticipants, so they can know what to expect what's expected of them, butright now it's just more than likely going to be like a once a week, maybeon like a by Friday, give me a screen shot of your analytics page on yourpodcast host and that's it and then I'll be able to see what achievementsyou've earned from there excellent looking forward to it, and I will getto work on creating my Avatar. Yes, definitely not required, but highlyencouraged. I wonder if I can draw a crummy POKEM, I always remember beingso disappointed see like I'd catch, a pokemon that I liked and then the viewyou have during a battle is from the back and I'm just like you lookterrible so blame yeah. I know it really is magical, so I wanted to something I ask all my guess when theycome on is a question that they wish. They were asked more frequently andyours I thought was super interesting of. Can you give me feedback on myperformance, which I think is hard to do and whatever profession you're in isto ask for feedback when you know, if you're working on a project, you have asecond set of eyes, reviewing it you're,...

...probably expecting feedback, but youoften aren't asking for it. It's just something: that's kind of a part of it,so I kind of have a two part question for you: How can people more gracefullyor naturally ask for feeback and then, as the person giving that feedback?What makes for good feedback and constructive and helpful feeback for the person asking for feedback? Idon't think people ask for feedback enough. You know there's things that Ido during my job and I kind of I don't know what my boss is thinking, or Ikind of just see his gears turning or maybe he just won't say anything andthen me, as the employee here just go with. Okay, I guess no news is goodnews, so carry on and do stuff and then maybe a week later I'll find out thatyou kno I'll, get feedback a week later and I went the wrong direction likewell man. You were standing there at the time I was doing this like. I wishyou would have said something so just asking like hey boss. How am Idoing here or am I meeting your intent? Am I going the direction you want me togo so me as the employee need to do that more,and I think other people should do that. More also, don't be afraid to get yourboss's opinion, your boss is there to provide you feedback, so it's nothingout of the ordinary that you're asking them to do you're asking them to doHart of their job. So simply, how am I doing? What do you think about this? AmI meeting your intent? Those are some good questions. You can ask to get somekind of on the spot feedback from your boss. Awesome super super easy to do, but notsomething. I think a lot of people think to do and don't be afraid of yourboss, to ask those things I mean again: Don't some people have that kind offear of their boss, and I mean it's natural, some bosses arenintimidatingbut justass the question and then from the perspective of the boss, providingfeedback, I mean be honest, don't be a jerk about it, but be honest. Somebodyis asking you for feedback, Wi'll say in this situation and that feedback is a gift. I mean they're,asking theyre, seeking your advice, leveraging your experience in yourknowledge, so don't be a jerk about it, a d and give them some honest feedbackin some constructive feedback to either tell them they're doing a good job orto guide them in the direction that you think they need to go, and I think something that's good toremember as well. Is that if you're getting feedback, it's from someonethat wants you to do well like we're not out to make each other fail atleast at most companies, you don't want right, your collings to fail you're,giving that feedback to make the project the assignment. Whateverthey're working on to make it better- and I think sometimes especially ifyou're just reading feedback, you know if it's a comments on a word, doccoranemail or something like that- that you might take something as being harsherthan it is just because it's written and you don't get a sense of the tonein it. But it's just the person writing something and they had no ill will oranything like that. Yeah, that's a good point and regardingproviding feedback, try to do that in person as much as you can sometimesthere's restrictions where we can't, but in person, for the reasons justlike you said Joey, you know, there's you can hear inflections and voice. Youcan see body language, I contact the whole nine yards there where, as ifit's written in an email, it's just very blunt and there's kind of noreading between the lines. If you will, you know for use of that example, youdon't know if there's any anything else behind the words it's notexposily written or maybe you think there is and there's not so if it allpossible, do it in person very minimum over the phone, so the person receivingthe feedback and at least hear your voice and make a susments from theaccus of your voice exactly at maybe even more important. Now that we're allkind of on you know, shelter and place rules here, yeah definitely make phonecalls or don't be sending feedback...

...through text messages. You know phonecalls can't go in person or at least within six feet of people, so give somegood six feet, plus feedback right on and kind of tying into that that's lekewaysvery nicely into the top three which of course get her podcast all aboutlessons in leadership. So can you give us your top three traits to be aneffective leader, my top three traits? The first andforemost, is courage. You have to have the intestinal fortitude, the guts todo what is right or say what needs to be said. So, first and foremost,courage do what's right and say what needs to be said number two equally, ifnot probably the most important on this list is selflessness so that momentthat you become a leader, you're no longer worried about yourself. You Ereworried about everbody else and you putting yourself at the very end, Oleaders, leaders, eat less, is a phenomenal book. If you haven't readthat have to read that, but you ere puttingeverybody else's needs before your own, because that is what a good effectiveleader should do so for a big transition and hard concept for somefolks to understand when they go into the leadership role. For the first timemoment you take that tide, OO, leader everybody else before your own needsand then the last one is trust. People have to be able to trust you. They haveto trust that they can come to you with hard decisions and that you willmake the right decisions and they have to trust that they can come to yousometimes with confidential personal information, and that you will not tellanybody you'll keep that sensitive information and even just be a soundingboard for those people, so courage, selflessness and trust boom love it well eand. You are officially off thehook. Thank you so much for hopping on the podcast Joey. It has been apleasure and man love. What you're doing. Thank you for being on my show acouple weeks ago and yeah just for meeting on spoted guests a couple weeksor months ago, and and look at us I's like we're all time friends. Now, yes,we go way back now. We go way back way back and if other people want to getinvolved, if they want to reach out to you become new friends, where can theyfind you so I am on Linkdon, I am on InstagramInstagram Handel is Ian Roth one Ian Roth, the number one believe it or not.Somebody else was in Wroth, so I had to ad the one in there very impresse andthen the yeah I know, and then the website is talking. Lamacom real, easylogo is awesome. Talking lamacom! I do enjoy your logo a lot one of myfavorites for sure. When I saw the Guy Design it, I just knew it. I knew thatwas it no question like that. That's it man love those magic moments. Yeah was, itwas a magic moment. I heard that song going on in the background Eis Ma Omen,as I laid my eyes on it like yeah, excellent, shout out to Jy and theAmericans. It's a great song. Yes, Oh yeah, and I guess the drifters Ibelieve, do a cover of that as well right. So I am familiar with thedrifter one. I didn't know I didn't know Jane. The Americans were the ogsof of that. I'm making that claim. Iactually don't know I I might be Vice Versi Mi think that Yoteri could be thedrifters of the first but yeah I feel like. I learn at least once a monththat a song I really enjoy is actually like the fourth version of the song. Itwas just the one that happened to be the most Po yeah and you know a lot ofmotown songs did that I mean it's just crazy. A lot of them got the songs gotpassed around between different bands and groups, and I mean shoot like even a lot of l. Whata proud Mary, you know: Creens cluytence credence, clearwater revivaldid it and you kn. That goes way back to Tina Turner and Iturn, and did it Ithink, with temptations Marvin Gay did some cover songs heard et through thegrave vine was one of them that's been...

...covered by, like everybody, so yeah inOncluding, townclusing, CCR, cluding, CCR yeah. They love their motowm stuff.A little lie. Their version is a little too long. It's gone kind of a longbreak down in the middle. It is way yeah. It's like a jam band like DameMatthews Band length, song now, they're just they're having fun out there thatTanan. We can blame them. Yeah good deal. Well, an thank you again and, ofcourse, we got ta wrap up with a Corny Jobe, as every episode does so in this.You know, in this time of self isolation and everything I wanted topick up. Some new reading so got myself a new Thasorus, but it's terrible notonly that it's also terrible good after it today people I love it.

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