Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 107 · 8 months ago

107: The Beatles, Hollywood Writing, and Creative Ambition with Dan Greenberger


Help! I need listen to all the good stuff in this episode. Dan Greenberger is the author of The Boys Next Door: A Novel About the Beatles, and he's diving into his writing process for this historical fiction novel, rules around creative liberties, and a Hollywood career that's spanned a quarter-century.  

We're also discussing how someone with creative ambitions can find a place in Hollywood, the best writing exercise Dan did while in college, and his top Beatles songs.

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... then absolutely check out word of the day with Comedians. I'm your host. Dad Are Dennis Mal and I chat with Comedians to learn about new words. Reasonably. We discussed preembatory penises with Alex Malt who's obsequious, with Mary Kennedy from shameless, and the original meeting of yen with Jay t haverset and tooky Cavin. I'll teaches us all the meaning of opine. Check out where are the day with Comedians. Wherever you listen to this podcast, I guarantee you it's the funniest way to expand your vocabulary. Now let's get the party started with good people, cool things. Good people cool things as a podcast feature and conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. Get inspired by their stories to do your own cool things, and here's your host, Joey held. Welcome to good people, cool things. Today's guest is Dan Greenberger, author of the book the boys next door and novel about the Beatles. Dan has also worked for CBS creating trailers, features and comedy videos for some of your favorite CBS shows. How I met your mother. Everybody loves Raymond survivor so much more so. We're talking a lot about creativity and this episode and the creative process, all of that good stuff. Has Dan listened to six million hours of the Beatles in preparation of writing this book? Maybe not exactly, but definitely did a lot of research, and that is evident throughout the book. Any kind of historical fiction work, it's good to do your research. kind of a good rule for life to just always making sure of that you are being accurate when you're talking about real things. We're also chatting just a little bit, little bit about life in Hollywood. Something unwritten, stuff that Dan has that he perhaps one day will bring out into the world. But as any writer knows, you're writing a lot of stuff that may never see the light of day, and even just doing that it's still a fantastic creative process in and of itself. If you'd like to get in touch with the show, you can reach out via email joey at good people, cool thingscom or facebook, twitter and instagram. GPCT podcast for all of that good stuff and, as always, I appreciate a five star review on Apple podcast or on pod chaser. Get on over that. It's just a simple, simple, like one click and then five stars blows up on your screen. It's fantastic. It's magical, just like this conversation with Dan. To kick things off, for people who aren't familiar with you and your work, can you tell us her name and elevator pitch? Can you also tell us the kind of elevator that we're writing on? Yeah, well, my name is Dan Greenburger. I am a TV writer by trade and I've recently had my first book published, which is a novel about the Beatles called the boys next door, which is kind of a historical, historical fiction. It's kind of what I imagined it would have been like if you had been there back when they were just starting out their career. They're famous GIG that they did in Hamburg in one thousand nine hundred and sixty, and it's always been sort of a part of their story that's fascinated me and and so that's that's why I wrote a book about it. Was Writing a book something that you had always wanted to do? You know, not really. Um, I think. I think part of it was that, you know, in Hollywood it's gotten very difficult to write about things that you want to write about, you know, and and I mean if I wanted to write about, you know, superheroes and and Marvel Comic Universes, there's there's plenty of work for that.

And you know, it was it was also, yeah, it was. It can be frustrating because of that writing in Hollywood and writing original stories and original things, and this was just an idea that I had that I thought, oh, there's there's no way in the world that that, you know, the movies are going to go for this, even though I'm still hoping they do at some point. But but even just to get a script like that read is it is getting harder and harder. So I just thought I've got enough great scripts, you know, lying in my desk that nobody will ever enjoy, and this is an idea that I think people really will enjoy, and so I'm just going to get it to an audience in the most direct way that I can well dive into the book in a minute, but now I'm curious. What's one of those scripts in your desk that no one would enjoy? Oh, I'm sure they'd enjoy it now. It's just, you know, I moved to to Hollywood about twenty five years ago and and I was, I was briefly a hot writer. You know. I very quickly when I moved here, got onto staff of a TV show and it was a it was a pretty prestigious one at the time. It was a gun named Steven Bosco. I don't know if you if you remember that name, but he was one of the Great TV writers and producers. He did a lot of police shows. He did Hill Street Blues and Nypd Blue and saying elsewhere, and actually I'm not positively saying hous anyway, he definitely did NYPD blue and a bunch of others like that. So so I got on. I got on shows like that and I was writing, you know, that stuff for a while. But once you've been, you know, sitting on the shelf for a while, if it gets hard to generate interest and excitement in your work. And and so you know, I've kept a foot in in network television, but as far as writing original things, yeah, that that was that. I've sort of been looking for other ways to again get my stuff to an audience. I'm not sure that I actually answered your question. Another question. Oh, yeah, no. So, yeah, I have I have some some screenplays that I've written. I have a bunch of pilots that I've written and you know, it's kind of life as a writer in Hollywood that some of them come close, some of them you get a meeting on, some of them get somebody really interested in then something falls through. So you know, it's not unusual at all for a writer to have a bunch of stuff in their desk that that that, frustratingly, no one will will probably get to see. So anyway, that's that's kind of what let me do to write a novel. Yeah, the amount of words that have been written, typed, scribbled, scrawled, whatever the case, yeah, is is, yeah, like you said, frustratingly. Yeah, sometimes, yeah, now, and it's and it's very easy to see, you know, the people, because I certainly know people who have done well writing in Hollywood and and you know I've done just fine and I really can't Laine, but you know, there's very few who really make it to the point where all of Hollywood is waiting to see their next group. You know, there's like there's Aaron Sorkin, there's quite in Tarantino, and you know the list that beyond that is not all that long. So it's you know, it's a tough way to make a living and you know, I've...

...been able to find a lot of different areas of the business that I can work in and, as I say, I mean it's all been very good. So I shouldn't, I really shouldn't complain as much. It sounds like I'm complaining a lot, but but I've, I've. Yeah, I've been very lucky in many ways and yet still frustrated and many otherwise. Sounds like life in general. It's a yeah, it kind of is. I think when you live in Hollywood, you know you you sort of fall into the trap of believing in the Hollywood version. It's like I'll believe in my dreams and all my dreams will come true and and it has been known to happen. But but yeah, it's it's it's it's hard to come by. Well, maybe that's before we jump into the book. Then I always like to ask a question. You wish you were asked more frequently, and I always say it's because it's less work for me. Yeah, also, I just like it's fun. It's fun to have it and for you, I liked how can a person with creative ambition survive a career in Hollywood. So somebod WHO's been out there for a quarter century, how do you do? Well, you know, one one good piece of advice that I got when I moved here was that, you know, the field of entertainment is a very big one and they're at there, you know, parts of it and neighborhoods of it that I don't even know exists. But the longer you're here, the longer you look around and see, oh, I guess I could do that. What the way that I make my living right now. So I you know, when I started out I did kind of my specialty as far as writing was comedy, and I work on sitcoms and comedy shows and talk shows and things like that. What I got into about maybe ten years ago is writing trailers and PROMOS FOR FOR TV networks. So that's, you know, like Monday on an all new survivor or on an all new you know, I worked on how I met your mother, for instance, for a long part of it's, well, I actually full part of it, run and two and a half men, and you know I mean there's there's dozens of others that I've worked with, CBS and so what's Nice about that is that is that, you know, as a creative person, I think, you know, what I always tell people is just try to be making something. You know, there's there's a lot of people in Hollywood who make a living now giving notes and developing things and helping move a project forward, but I don't think that that's what a really creative person does. I think when you're when you really, you know, want to be creative, what that means is you want to make things. And what I really like about my job, I mean it's I is I make little videos all day long and you know, they're only a couple minutes long. Sometimes there's thirty seconds long, sometimes they're twenty seconds, but every day I'm making something new. I'm starting, you know, with the blank page and filling it up. You know, I write a script for it. I then get on my avid and I edit it together and I bring in music and sound effects and there's timing and you're telling a story. You know, you're trying to tell a story in as short as twenty seconds, and I think that has been that has been kind of a salvation from because that really is just what makes me happy, is is making fense and and I'm sure there are people, you know, I don't want to knock people who develop scripts and are or their...

...agents or the notes or whatever. I'm sure there's there's a lot of satisfaction to be had from that too. But I just know from me what makes me happy is making some and and that's what I do and that's what I get paid for. So that that's my advice to people who who want to survive a creative life in Hollywood. Just figure out somewhere, some way where you can make things for a living. Have you found that your sort of the creation of all of these because, like you're saying, sometimes it's as few as twenty seconds that you have to tell a story. And I'm thinking a show like how I met your mother, where it seems like every episode has a call back to something else or flash forward that's addressed like two seasons down the line. You're like, Oh, yeah, that's right, or you know, like all of those sort of like inter weaving things. So did working on that help when you were writing a novel of kind of keeping all of these different sort of story lines together? Yeah, I mean I think so. I mean it's certainly you know everything. Every good show that you work on you you'll learn something from just in the way they tell a story and the way you know all the all the different ways there are to tell a story and all the different tools you have at your disposal. And how I met your mother was was a really, really original show in that sense. I mean for a network Sitcom. They really kind of, you know, broke the rules a lot and figured out new ways of telling stories and new ways of being funny. And Yeah, so I certainly learned from all of that. But yeah, you also do learn, you know, with doing these these twenty second promos. You know how to really figure out, okay, what's really important here. You know what's the thing that will will set up the joke, that will set up the story, that will give you, you know, make you want to tune in and see all, well, how does this resolve? It set and and so it gives it kind of an urgency. Is that you learn how to, you know, cut to the chase and learn what is, you know, what is important in telling a story and what isn't. You know. The other another story that I tell people is that, you know, my training was actually in playwriting and I gotta. I got a degree, it was a master's degree, and playwriting at Columbia and one of the assignments that we had there it was to take a shakespeare play and cut it down to a half hour and then, you know, not only cut it down to a half hour, but then cast it and perform it, so so that you know if you're going to make it work, it really has to work. You know you can, you can, you know, cut all you want, but you have to. You know you're going to find out on opening night whether you have told the story in a way that's interesting, that makes sense, that that you know is intriguing, or whether you've lost your audience completely. And in a weird way, that exercise is probably helped me more than anything in my life, because that's kind of what I do for a living. That, you know, it's it's figuring out how you take this big, on gainly story and our Chae. Trim a little here, I trim a lot there. I take the Oway enough, I take that out, then that's not going to make sense when I got Bah Bah. So you know, it's a lot of condensation and and and so, yeah, that that served me well. And and yes, answer your question, I think I think that definitely helped me as far as writing a book and telling stories,... know, in whatever form that I'm that I'm trying on that and I think that shakespeare creative exercise again ties back to how you can make a living doing creative things. I don't know if you're familiar with the Reduced Shakespeare Company, but yeah, they, I believe, have multiple troops. I think maybe initially were in the UK. That's where I at least first heard of them. I'm not entirely sure, but I remember by it. And Yeah, I know I was going to say they they play the lost Ange to yeah, yeah, they I my introduction to them was a family trip to London and I must have been like fifteen or sixteen and I just remember I heard like just a real brief premise of it and I remember thinking this is dumb, I don't want to go to this, this is going to be the worst night. You know why we have to dress up like I don't like any of them, and within like two minutes I was like, oh no, I was totally wrong. This is hilarious and it is that. You know, they do the entire works of Shakespeare and what an hour and forty five minute show. And it's just fascinated to see how they break it down. And Yeah, again, like I think. I think the the ability to tell a story as such a unique skill and and not everyone can do it super succinctly or even super well. And when you do see it performed really well, you know, in whatever format it is, I think it's just so like reaffirming that you're like, oh, okay, like you know it when you see it. Yeah, well, I mean it's like it's like they always told us back and back in drama school that you know the word playwright. It's not wrrie. So you don't write the play, but you you build a play, you know, like the wheel right, or like rought. I. I forget where else the word shows up, but yeah, you know what I mean. I mean it's like you have to make this skeleton, you have to assemble it so that it stands up. And that's how that's how you build a story. You don't just write words from on to another. You build up this framework, in this this structure that you can hang all the words and characters on. Love it. Love it. Now will finally jump back to the book, just just bouncing all over the plasing. Yeah, I have a I guess it's kind of a two parter or question. So number one, while I always like to hear about like while people are writing, are you like a I need silence. Where you listening to the Beatles the entire time during this? You have something else going on? What was that? That experience? Like? Um, no, I mean I certainly read a lot about the Beatles beforehand and during, but you mean literally, like while I'm sitting down typing away? What's going on in there in the room? Yeah, do you have, I'm trying to like any time at all playing in the background like that? Now. You know, it's funny because I for years and years and like all through my career as a writer, I would always I was very traditional. I would sit at a desk. Yeah, usually, no, no music at all. I like it if I've got a nice little view out of window. But then I have a daughter who who you know, went through college recently and I would watch her, you know, doing this this very complicated kind of school work. I mean she was a chemistry movie or so it was way way over me, and and she would always she would always have the TV on while she was doing it and and it kind of fascinated me and I thought we can't really work like that. But then I actually started doing that and and I think with with this book, I wrote pretty much the whole book with a TV on in the background that I'm not I'm not watching it, but it's sort of like ambient, you know, very low sound, the volume is very, very low and I'm watching either...

...a baseball game or a football game and not paying that much attention to it, but it's just something to sort of rest my eyes on while I'm thinking about what is the next sentence. So I kind of changed in my life and from being very, you know, very much like a student sitting upright and a hard wooden chair and, you know, feeling uncomfortable and spitting outwards, and now and sort of laying back on a couch with TV on and and writing an all and it seems to work just as well and it seems very soothing. I like it. I like it. Yeah, yeah, and you mentioned a lot of research going into the Beatles for this as well, which has a historical fiction book. I think that's a very important element to have. And were you did you want things to be like pretty pretty much like spot on as to how and when they happened, or did that kind of like evolve over the writing process, or were you like, Hey, I'll take some liberties because a lot of the characters are real people that you're writing about. So what sort of like trying to think of a better way besides creative liberties, but maybe that's the best way to put it. Of what, like what kind of creative liberties that you take in bringing these characters into the story that you were writing? Well, kind of my rule was that I was not going to take any liberties at all as far as the Beatles themselves, sir, because you know their lives have been so well document and even you know those those three months, I mean my book takes place over over three months in one thousand nine hundred and sixty in Hamburg, Germany, when they were nobody's but you can, you can read anything at all about that and and find out exactly what happened from day to day. I mean I would say if you you know the Beatles have been so well documunity, if you wanted to know what John Lennon ate for breakfast on April five nineteen sixty seven. Somewhere there is a book that will tell you. I mean they they were literally that. Well, Doctor. So I knew that if I was going to write this book about them starting out in Hamburg, if I didn't get the facts exactly right, the Beatles fans would would like, you know, hang me from the nearest tree because they're they're pretty, they're pretty stripped bunch. You know, they're very loyal and they say, oh no, no, now, John didn't play, you know, the Rick and backer in, you know, by one thousand nine hundred and sixty. He hadn't. He only bought that in May of nineteen sixty, so in April he would have been playing a different car. So I had to I had to be very, very careful to get all those facts right. But in a way that was that was really nice because that was sort of my structure. That was, you know, you talked about building the story, so that Nice little structure was all in place for me. And what I did was to bring in one fictional character which is the narrator of the book, and him I can make up anything at all and and most of the story goes on in his head and his reactions to things and and how he's reacting to the Beatles and how he's getting to know them and his relationship with so all of that I made up. But but what was happening from day to day in Hamburg in the world of Beatle of the Beatles? I was I was very, very strictly adhearing and you're the the narrators of college student. Did you pull from your own college experiences for the obviously you weren't living next door, I don't think, to any rock bands, right. I think that's who knows? Maybe, but even even in a historical fiction setting like I I would imagine at least this is just based off my...

...own writing. Like I'm definitely pulling from experiences at either that I've had or that someone else has talked to you. I know when when my book of short stories came out, people would always ask like, oh, what, you know which one's based off me, like what characters based off? Man? I would always just tell them whatever your least favorite character is. Yeah, so that's the one that's based off. So did you pull did you better? Thank you. You get asked it enough, you come up with a nice defaill yeah, I'll remember that. So were you? Were you pulling from from some of your own experiences, or was it, yes, like a you know, yeah, absolutely, and and you know, it was. It was very liberating for me because, having written in Hollywood for so long, there's not a lot of writing about yourself that you do. You know, it's it's you're working most of the time someone else's show, someone else's characters, and and yeah, you can, you can lift you know, and obviously that's that's always the best place to pull from is your own experience. But with this one, because it was a college student, which I was many, many years ago. Yeah, I think it was much more about me than than anything I've ever written before, which is ironic because I'm trying desperately to sell it as a book about the Beatles. But my my dirty little secret is it's really a book about me and and really the way that that manifest itself is that when I was in college, that was kind of when I discovered the Beatles. You know, I wasn't, I wasn't really into them as a kid. I mean they they had broken up by the time I, you know, was a kid. I mean they were together for very short period of time. When I was alive, but I really started discovering them, you know, like my last year of high school, and then when I got to college I was just I was all about the Beatles and I was really discovering them and I would listen to their music all the time. So, in a weird way, the what what my character in the book goes through is he somebody who doesn't really pay much attention to rock and roll. He has no use for these four hooligans, or actually five hooligans from Liverpool who were living next door to him, but gradually he gets pulled into them and he becomes an enormous fan in much the same way that I do. And and it was it was really fun. I mean I loved I really had a great time writing about myself in that way because, as I say, it's something that I never really did all that much. But but that's the the book that I'm working on right now is is very much about me and and this time I don't have the Beatles, you know, to to help me along, and it's a little lonely without the Beatles there to help me, but it's it's I do enjoy sort of revisiting my life and my experiences and writing about them and making sense of them. To me, and you know they always say about writing, if you write about yourself, you've and your own experience, you find that that really rings true to a lot of people because because it's it's reality, and what happened to you and the way you feel about things and the relationships that you've had in your life are remarkably similar to the relationships and experiences that other people add as well. Yeah, I think that's a fantastic reminder in general of any kind of storytelling, that it is like what is truest to you is going to come across and be the most lapped up thing by the audience. Is trying to think I'm more aggressful way to say that, but...

...the thing that you know, the one to the want to eat up and all of that, and I think I think that's super, super interesting. And having the you know, the Beatles is kind of a backdrop for and I'm actually kind of curious. Have you found there's I mean I like you're saying, there's so many articles in stories and documentaries and whatnot. Obviously get back. I believe it's the most recent one. Maybe there's been another one since the last two months. But have you found that there are like spikes of interest in the book when you when something like that comes out? Oh yeah, well, no, definitely over like over Christmas, which was just about when get back, I think, opened and yeah, that was a that was a very good time for the book sales. And you don't come one with Christmas and you know it's like a gift for the Beatle Fan in your life and ansertain. So yeah, that was that was very good. That documentary that was was very helpful. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you know, because the Beatles have been putting out product for, you know, fifty years, you know, since, I mean you know, fifty years since they stopped recording and they're still putting out and and every time they put out some product, I'm guessing, you know, there will be another mini resurgence and the Beatles and and more people will discover them and more people will discover my book, because really it's all about yeah, that's really the most important part. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I remember in college taking an evolution of rock music class, MMM, I which I believe actually it might have just been called evolution of rock. So occasionally people would think I was really into geology and it's not. Sadly, not that class, but I the the professor that was supposed to be teaching it. Maybe three or four days before the course started I resigned, just like unexpectedly. So they put they had a jazz teacher and he just came in and he told us on the first day. He was like hey, I was just thrown into this and I don't really have a curriculum. So I think I you know, I have a lot of experience with music, so I think the way I'm going to teach is just play you music and then we'll talk about it. And Wow, I how do I stud up for that? I know it was fantastic and the I think for the most part we spent, you know, maybe half a class or you know, sometimes just like five or ten minutes on any given artist. But with the Beatles it was about two weeks of spending time, I just because there's so much to go through and obviously they had a big influence on a lot of other people. And then the final exam, I remember, was just he'd play like thirty songs and you just had to name the artist. You didn't even need to know the name of the song. It's just name the artists. And thankfully my parents, they both grew up in the S so they're, you know, they were very big on on that era of music and, you know, hearing I was hearing it from a really young age, so I knew a lot of the songs already, but it was cool to hear some of the back stories around it. But I was just like, this is the greatest final exam I've ever taken. I wish all of life was that easy. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I F I've that's sort of been one of my fantasies. So I would love to teach or see in the Beatles, as I you know, having having learned so much about them and listened to so much of them over the years. And Yeah, that's always been sort of one of those one of those bucket list things I would look some day. We're going to put that. We're going to put it out into the universe today. All, right, out it goes, out, it go excellent. Will check back in in a couple of years, as you're leading a course with a four hundred person waiting list and it's going to be great and in fact that actually might segue pretty nicely into our top three year. Almost off the hook here. But obviously lots of Beatles songs out...

...there. I'm M I'm right. I feel like I read ranking of all the Beatles songs not super long ago and I want to say there was like two hundred twelve songs, maybe two hundred and thirteen, something like that. Yeah, that's that's fair. Right, yeah, that's exact number. Apologies to all the Beatles purists listening who can rattle them all off, but I I'm asking you to pick. I mean what is this? Like half of a percent of all the songs, of just your top three beatle songs, of all the songs out there? Three? Well, this is yeah, it's always. It's always a problem for me and it actually did come up a lot because, you know, as I've been sort of pushing this book, I do get asked that a lone and and I I've never had been able to just pick one. And and there's and there's a good reason because, all right, I would say probably the song that that has given me the most joy over all the years that I've been listening to it is probably here comes the song, just because it's the song that I would put on when my girlfriend broke up with me in college and like I'm really sad, I'm really sad, but it's going to get better, the sounds going to come out and you're going to and you're going to get over this and and that song with just cheer me up and I got me through all sorts of really bad sad times in my life. So I really do love that song. Now, the reason why I have trouble saying that that's my favorite beatle song is because I really do think that the Beatles were Lennon and McCartney. I mean, obviously George was great, Ringo was great, but but it was the Lennon McCartney partnership that really made the Beatles and it made them this phenomenon that conquered the world. So I feel like I have to have one John Song and one also. So my John Song is she said, she said, from revolver. I'm not quite sure why. I just love the guitars in it, I love the feeling of it, I love there there's a there's a cool story behind it to I don't know if you've ever heard of about it. It it involves Peter Fonda. You ever heard that one? I have not know. Okay. Well, well, they, the Beatles, were in Los Angeles and they were I think this was like no sis five hundred sixty six, and they went to Hollywood party at at some some movie stars House, and that, I think, that is where one of them, or maybe two of them, first try to LSD and and Peter Fonda was there also doing last and I think George Harrison, as I remember it was, was freaking out a little bit because he was, you know, was his first time and you know, it's like, what's happening? Where am I? Am I going to live through this? And and Peter Fonda came over to them, to to all of the Beatles, and said, oh now, don't worry about it, man, I know what it's like to be dead because I had a near death experience when I was young and and my heart actually stopped beating. So I know what it's like to be dead and it's not like this and you'll get through this and you'll be okay. And and John Lennon supposedly turned to him and said, which you shot the fuck up. We are trying to enjoy this Nice Day with this Nice Party and you're talking about being dead and just stop it. And and that's what turned into. She said, she said. And you know what I love about what Lennon did is it that he made it about a relationship, with with a woman. It's like she said, not Peter Fonda said, but she said. So it becomes, I'm something about a relationship.

It becomes, you know, somebody's pessimistic. Anyway, it's it's I just love that song. My favorite Paul McCartney Song is another sort of odd one. It's from Abbey Road. You never give me your money, and it's another one that it's hard to say exactly what it's about, but they're just some lines in it that that's just really resonate for me and some melodies and some sections of it that I just think are absolutely gorgeous. And so, yeah, that's those are my tops. Sorry, Ringo, I didn't get it. We'll bring us playing drums on all them. So it's fine. Yeah, that's right. He's getting his do that way, even though, you know, I found out that she said, she said, and I felt very guilty when I found this out, that Paul McCartney does not play on that song. Because one of one of the many fights that the band had was had that day and he was the one who walked out of the studio for that one. They recorded the song just just the other thing. Another one of those, you know, useless beetle facts I got. I've got twenty million of those. Oh No, I always love that over, I always love hearing all of those, all of those bands story. This is I'm going to blow the name of the group. I think that. I think they're one mayhem. It was like a Norwegian death metal band and and I don't even know why, I'm just the someone being on a recording that I guess shouldn't had. I don't know why that that triggered this thought for me, but essentially, I end the scene like one person murdered another person. That was like in the band, and I the I think it was maybe the drummer said that he'd like rerecord the I think with the bassist. There's could be like one mayhem fan out here that's listening to this and they're like this is all wrong. But it was something like the drummer told the the bassis mom like Oh, I'll rerecord this, so it won't because I think maybe it was the like, or maybe it was the bassist had killed the guitarist or so, I don't know. It's some something like that, and so the drummer was like no, like will re record that so that he's not on there, but then he didn't know how to do that. So the the original basis, who is like a murderer, is on this, this recording of it, and I just it's just one of those like weird stories. Like I said, there's so many of them. Yeah, now there's there's yeah, bands, bands to get up to some very strange things. I'm sure you've had some experience with that too. Not actually murder, yes, nothing, but telling to that. I'm sure you've got a few stories yourself. I've got a few few tells from the read. HMM, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they're always they're always fascinating and I love, I always love reading about bands just for that reason and and in fact I mean one of the one of the nicest things that anyone ever said to me about my book is that I've got a friend who's WHO's a musician, who's had all sorts of experience with bands and touring and and when he read my book. He said, Oh, I never knew that you were in a band, and I said no, I like the worst guitarist in the world. No one would could ever have me in a band. Late and he said now, but I feel like you really got what it's like to be in a band and to do a GIG and to go through all the crap you have to go through when you're in a band. And and that was I was. I was so flattered by them. But again, that's what that's what research will do to your writing. It make you seem like you're an expert when in fact you know absolutely nothing. Hey, fake it till you make it. It'sactly a popular rife. Exactly. That's right. So if people want to check out the book, learn...

...more about the Beatles, all that good stuff, where can I find you? Well, I was tell people I because it was my first novel. I went with this a little publisher. I really like these guys. I want to help them out. It's called Amazon and I think I've heard of think yeah, and I think with me on board, I think they're going to be okay. So so, yeah, I urge you to help out Amazoncom and order my book there and you'll help me and help my my little friend. I always good to support the little guy. Like it. That's right. Thanks well, Dan, thank you so much for taking the time to chat. This was delightful. I'm going to go listen to the Beatles while I make dinner now. It's gonna be Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, play those three songs and tell me which one you are I will, I will, I'll let you know which one's the best, for like Sauteyang and okay, good cooking, good, yeah, yeah, yeah, and all right. Well, thank you, Joe. I really enjoy this too, is it was a real pleasure. Tim Likewise, and of course we got to end with a Corny joke, as we always do. What did people say when the Beatles broke up? What? Oh, no, good, asks that people, but then Fum, yes, hey, good people, cool things is produced in Austin, Texas. If you're a fan of this episode, go ahead and hit that follow button. That helps more people here at the show. You can send me a message Joey at good people, cool thingscom thank you to all of the guests who have been on good people cool things. Check out all the old episodes. Being good people cool thingscom as always thank you for listening and have a wonderful day.

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