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Episode 83 · 2 months ago

Lookin' Good: From Modeling to Running a Business with Ekin Ozlen

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Ekin Ozlen may not have figured out how to do everything at once, but she’s come pretty darn close. She turned a successful modeling career into her own business and is now the founder of KERACELL, the hair and skincare brand beloved by all kinds of celebrity clients.

Ekin has also released several music videos (including last fall’s “Where You At”) that highlight her brand. Oh, and on top of all of that, she’s currently pregnant.

No matter what life throws her way, Ekin has taken it in stride — and in many cases, used it as an opportunity to grow. We’re talking all about her business, why she insists on a personal touch, and some of her favorite (read: most magnificently horrifying) modeling gigs. 

Good people cool things as a podcastfuture and conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians andother creatives get inspired by their stories to do your own cool thing andhere's your host Joey held welcome to give people cool things. Today's guestis Akin Osland, the founder of Caracal, which is an innovative technology thatuses human stem cells combined with C B D and select products all in the oneproduct to make your skin hair and we're all self just feel better. Lookmore radiant, which is something I can certainly use. I can is also a long time model, a musician having a baby in a few months. There'sa lot going on in her wal, so she's talking all about how to jungle. All ofthose things. You've got a side hustle that you're trying to get started orworking on you. Like I don't know. I can balance all this with work. Maybe Igot four kids, maybe you're. Like me, you've got two dogs outside the doorthat are like clined to get in, and I'm like Na Fan. This isn't where dogs arebecause we're trying to keep it without dog hair. In this room, you might haveall of that going on, and so I can give lots of great advice on how to juggleall of that how to power through as entrepreneur or most surprising momentsof her business. What surprises her about running a business, her worstmodeling GIG, which well that's a good one. So all of that's getting in hereit's lots of good stuff and I know you're going to enjoy it. You'd like toget in touch with the show you can reach out joey at good people, coolthings com. You can also follow the show on facebook, twitter or Instagramat GP, CT podcast. You can also support the show by either going over to applepodcast and drop in a fancy, five star review or getting up the shop which youcould find on good people, cool things, com get real stylish, while you'relooking real stylish as you're. Listening to this conversation withECON for people who don't know who you are, can you give us your elevatorpitch? But can you also tell us the type of elevator that we're riding on?Oh, my God, I don't think I realized that there were different types ofelevators, but I can give you how about like a location God. I don't know like the Empire StateBuilding for some reasons: POX Ino, my brain, but I'm obviously a New Yorker.So yeah. I would say that I am a formermodel. I was signed with Ford Model Agency in New York for many many manyyears, and I am an artist and a business person. I own a luxurycausasus brand called karical and we have all human stem al extract, basedkin care and hair care products. Is that something that you always knew youwanted to get into like? How did you go from modeling to starting a companylike that yeah? I know it sounds like they'rejust two completely different spectrums, but to be honest with you, there was somuch overlap because I was so deeply entrenched in the beauty game and inthe beauty industry. I was also married to a plastic surgeon, so I wasshadowing him in surgeries. You know I...

...was really I actually wanted to go tomedical school. I was really into post operative procedure, you knowlessening down time and accelerating the healing process, and that's reallyhow caracal came about. You know it's topical products that do just that, so but being in New York. I think you knowI live in La now, but being in New York, you're kind of no disrespect to la, butyou're. Really you really among the best of the bestthere you know, and and what is that Jas son like if you can make it here,you can make it anywhere. It's there's really some truth to that and what Imean by that is it's highly saturated. You know everybody becomes specialistsin their fields to basically separate themselves and to survive so you'rereally dealing with the best of the best in that regard, when it comesspecifically to beauty and speaking just on the media industry, the best skin care as Tatita the bestmail art has the best hair stylist, the best hair colorist. You know the bestplastic surgeons termites. All of that. So I really threw myself into thatworld because the only way to really separate yourself as a career model, the way that I was goingout for auditions every day is really to be better than the girl before youand that's. You know every day, you're going out on a job interview and you're,trying to make money to survive and that concrete jungle and it's expensiveto live there and it's a hard life, so it becomes very competitive and thething that really separated the models were our hair and our skin and the theperfection of it without the inclusion of makeup so really just walking into a castingbeing a blank canvas which I was never that great at. I still I'm a beautyjunkie with every every ounce. For the words I mean I, since I was a littlegirl, you know, I've just been. I was doing French manacures on my own nails.When I was like eight years old, you know painting light tips, I mean I'vebeen I'm a perfectionist, I think, just by nature and so to actually learn allthis and to be able to perfect my skin so that I didn't have to wear so muchmake up and appear to be more naturally. Naturally, the way that the artdirectors wanted you, you know, that's that's really the game and so takingwhat you've learned and building it into your own company. I always lovechatting with entrepreneurs about the early days, the things that we don'tget to see, because I assume that you think your product isvery good now, but I don't know, did it start out like that, where I was there like a lot of trial and errorto get to where it was today? So I cannot take the credit for theformulation of the products. I have to call out my stepmother she's, acosmetic chemist and she's amazing she's worked with the biggest and thebest and when I moved to La she actually was formulating for othercompanies at that time and and then her and I teamed up and Caracal was broughtto life. So really it's her specialty.

I run the business I handle themarketing. You know I'm the spokesperson for the brand and all ofthat, but the formulas I only give critique. She is the she has burst these formulas and theyare so clean and they are so results driven. I just can't drive home enoughhow results driven this product line is, and that's what I love about it. Youknow I was a girl that spent so much money, thousands upon thousands andthousands of dollars. I think I spent all the money that I made as a modelback into just trying to stay. That way. You know trying to keep my skin andhair good and it's like you pour it right back in, and so I think so manyproducts under delivered and they never did what they said. They were going todo when they were packed with Paraban and Sol fates and ballads, and allthese things that you know now now people consumers are so educated and Ilove the Internet. For that reason, you know people are really really mindfulabout what they're putting on their skin. It's so important, it's just asimportant as what you eat yeah. It's always amazing to look atlike for my parents era, just what kind of the practical advice was for foreating and skin care, and things like that and I'm just like. Oh today, I'mglad we know more actually have to just mention one thing:that's really funny. When I was little, I grew up in Cocoa Beach, Florida supersunny hot all the time everybody wanted to be Brown. You know that was hidingall your flaws. If you had acne or sit light whatever it was, if you got Tan,it would make you go in so basically my mom tells me to mix baby oil and iodine,and so I'm, like twelve years old, I have did some mad about these sits onmy face. You know- and she brought me to the Germal ist he's told me just touse dove soap and retina. You know so my whole face peels off and it is likeI'm scorched from me boil, and I dine I mean God when you talk about like wherewe come from at the purty industry and where we are now now we're applyingtopically applied human stem cell extract for God's safe. You know it'slike look at where we've graduated to it's pretty amazing, it's wild. Now youmentioned that you're on the business side of things and you're kind ofrunning the business you're doing the marketing and all that. What'ssomething that surprised you about running a business: Oh, my God, thecomsets! It's so cliche! You hear people all the time saying like being abusiness person, it's so difficult or oh, it's a man's world and being awoman in a you know in a male dominated industry, because as much as beauty isbeauty and you think that it's all women, these companies are allcontrolled by men still so it's every day, you're waking up and as a womanyou're coming up against that you know and it's real it's a real thing, andit's really. You know, because people look at me and it's like oh she's, amodel. You know they don't really take me series as a business person, then afemale when I look young, which I'm not it's just because I used Ratskin Carrie,but you know it's like coming up...

...against all that. I think every day.That's definitely something that that's worth mentioning and I think just the challenges and the to bring it to an optimistic point ofview. You know overcoming those challenges in the pride you feelafterwards. I think that that that it's not that it surprised me, but I feed onthat- and I love that part of it. You know, that's that's what keeps yougoing and keeps you proud of what you're doing you know and for me I lovehelping people. I have whole this knowledge about how to make thingsbetter. You know visually for people and which makes them feel better on theinside. So I love sharing that and that just makes me feel so good. Do you havean example of one of those moments of overcoming a challenge like that,because I think that is a very common where it's like people aren't taking meseriously. You know I feel out of place here with how many men I'm surrounndedby so so well, it happens like every day I mean like yesterday, I was inconference, call with a bunch of major retail buyers, and you know they werealmost. It was men and- and I had my consulting firm also on the tall withme and thank God that I did because they really jumped in and they said,hey, hey, you're, just respecting my client. I don't like your tone. I don'tlike the way that you're speaking allow her to finish. You know- and it waslike God, thank you, but it's a shame that I have to pay a firm to be thereto back me up in situations like that. You know it's a shame that that's athing that you can kind of get ran over as a female when it comes to theseconference calls. You know people speak over you, they don't allow you tofinish so I just bulldose my way through us, usually because I'm a NewYorker and that's what we do you know. Luckily, I've been brought up like onthe survivor and I rise to every challenge, but it's still it'ssomething that you don't ignore as a female and in a business world. Absolutely. I think,I think, honestly, being a New Yorker really does help in that sense, whereit's just like hey, I can. I can do this like I've like again we're goingback to JAS. You can make it Harry, TAK, it anywhere yeah, and it's like that. Alot of times I sit, I say to myself like this- is not going to last forever.Whatever is going on right now, business wise, that's challenging me!This is temporary and I'm going to get through this. You know, and this theother thing I say to myself is this is not the worst thing I've ever dealtwith. You know that that's such a poignant thing because it puts it intoperspective right away because it's like well, I dealt with stuff wayharder than this, like really hard life. Lessons like people dying of illnessesthat you love like putting it really into perspective like that, and then Ijust go okay. You know what I got this and that that's probably thenumber one thing that I say to myself almost on a daily basis. Yeah. I alsoshould make a correction, I think frank and atro probably did the. If I can'tmake it here, I can make it anywhere so we'll go we'll give him the shout out.Jay also reinforce again for for us...

...younger listeners on that spectrum. No,I want to go back to your New York Ness here, because one of my favorite TVshows is in practical jokers because they have no fear they're. Just goingout doing all this, she an against- I don't know if you're familiar with theshow or not but they're, basically just doing a bunch of silly stuff out inpublic a yes and the general reaction to it by the film in New York primarilyand the general reaction I feel like to a lot of the people they come across isjust indifference because it's like this is New York like there's justweird things going on all the time. So as a New Yorker, I know you're notliving there currently, but plenty of experience in New York. So what's theweirdest thing that you've seen in New York? Oh my God- I mean I lived therefor thirteen years, so I saw some really crazy stuff. You know, but butI'll be honest with you, none of its as crazy as what I'm seeing around LaRight. Now I mean even on the street that I live on. It's like it's gotreally there's a lot of insanity going on Ritui. Frankly it does. It doesn'teven compare my days in New York. I mean, but I remember you know people Iremember being on the phone and like a little mini market, one time andtalking to my friend and like a lady screaming at me at the top of her lungs,because I was on the phone in the grocery store. It's like you knowpeople and you just go. Oh my God really go back home. He played withpeople on the phone you shouldn't be out of your house. I don't know what totell you, but it's people are just you know you got to just keep him moving absolutely yeah, andthat's I'm trying to think, because I lived in La for a couple of years andhave been to New York a fair amount, and that is there is some craziness. Imean there's definitely craziness in both I'm trying to think what's more more spectacularly weird, but they chhave their own weirdness. It's fine! Lately, it's gotten pretty we run hereI mean just driving down sunset. You know like I was driving my windows downstand. I was like. I don't know if this is a good idea. Any more! You know.It's like that's just you stop at a light, and I mean just recently a womanstarted yelling at me on the corner of San a sentinum set,I'm like coming home from my doctor's appointment. You know and I'm justdriving my card, and I thought she was asking me for directions and she startsscreaming out the window at me that I'm what's wrong in the world. Walk andshe's like in a very normal car she's, not a person of like she seems like atotally normal housewife or something, but she just she went postal and shelost it. And and the funny thing is I'm so stupid. I'm like I'm sorry what Iterminated not can I help you did you need directions and then she just like,starts going crazy at me. So, Oh my God, I'm like this is crazy, but it's gottento the point where I don't really ride. If my windows down around anymore, it'scrazy yeah, I think that's a fair thing to do and keep those windows up. I wasjust talking with someone I onee of my...

...bucket list items is to be listening toa song on the radio and someone else pulls up at the light and is listeningto the same song and we're both like jamming out having a great time, butthat's like it might not happen now, because you got to keep your windows upall the time. It's rough rough life out there nowyou're, also on top of being a business owner a model, a musician as well yeah.I've dabbled in the music game a little bit, it's more like a passion project.For me at this point, because I just I can't split myself into this manypieces. You know I'm also pregnant right now with my first baby rat likethank you. So much I've been going through if you know, throughout theentire pandemic for over a year, and we finally transferred in embryo- and Igot pregnant, thank God, but it was like you know. I have my plate is sofull, so music, unfortunately, is kind of taking a back seat right now, but I dabble you know it's fun, because Imarket the brand through my music videos and that's they're, always thestar. I mean they're, always in every video that I shoot you see my product,so it's really cute and find what's a good way, because I think you do a nicejob of kind of naturally getting in there like. It doesn't feel so muchlike it's an advertisement like it's kind of more organically and there. Sowhat's the key to doing that, because I've seen plenty of either music videosor even just like photos from people where it's like. Oh, this is veryobviously like. Just in your face yeah I mean I have to give a shot out tolike the director and that regard because they really, I always make it areally big deal. You know like I have license plates and I like cars, a lotso there's always cars in my music videos and we always put the licenseplate that says Kel like carsel. You know on the cars we had a role, a whiteroles Roycean in my Lino Jam, music, video. So it's kind of cute, becauseevery music video I shot, there's a different car, but with that case illplayed on it you know, so I think that people start getting it and they startputting the two together- and I like it when it's kind of on the DL, like thatwhen what you're saying it Slipton is just so much cooler, you know and andless contrived, but in one of the videos I think it's Linot. Actually Ihave this universal Vidi Oil. It's called liquid gold and ritching elixirand it's very cool because we're out with my horses and were in a Horse,barn and the stall and the song is called the Noche a night. So it's allshot at night and it's just beautiful because you show, like the mail modelwith the product, dripping down his face right here and you get a close upwith the bottle. Really quick and I be kind of going like that to his face. Soit's like you know it's artistic and it's. So it's so fun to be able to useeverything. I've learned, you know from a marketing perspective as a model. Youknow I was just marketing myself, a human being. You know I M marketing aproduct, so it's really not that much different. It's it's just changing theitem for me, so it's fascinating. Is there a car that you haven't featuredyet in a video that you need to get in...

...a future one? Well, I you know my last music video that I didwith the Dear Derbez and Roxy Frar, and we had I actually own one thousand ninehundred and forty two willies g. that's all like t USAID out. You know it'svery cool. It has the Star on the hood and everything and it's all army green.So we actually used my own car, which one of my cars in the video it was sofun because we were all hanging all over it and then in the first video itwas more of like a fancy car, but I think next time, God I don't know Iwould like to do. You know I'm a really big fan of like this super old stingraise. I think those are super hot cars, the super old ones and I've alwaysactually wanted to own one of those so- and I don't have many classic cars, butfor some reason that car in black, just like I love it, it's just there'ssomething so sexy about it. You know it's like it's masculine, but you couldtotally see a chick driving that car to you know yeah all right. We we'll keepour eyes open, then, for a future video, a comparentes in there we'll have thecase all license play will be looking for yeah for sure. Well, I always liketo ask any kind of performer. This and I'll. Even let you choose whichadventure you want to go, you can either do it as a musician or as amodel, but I'd love to hear about the worst Gig that you've ever had. Oh, myGod, I had so many bad. Let's see, I think the by far I had the worst gigs as a model,then that's a musician. I mean musician. It was always fun for me. You knowsinging performing there. I can never say that anything was ever bad. Thatwas always just. I was honored to be able to do that in the Times that I did,and I certainly didn't do it enough, like I feel like I'll circle back tothat later in life. But as a model I mean I can tell you, I did a commercialfor Silk Soy milk, where I had to wear a cow costume on my body, and I meanjust the things that you do as a a model. It's insane the things that youdo, that the temperatures that you work in the weird positions that they putyou in it's like there is no end and I was actually doing a podcast just acouple weeks ago, and I said you know I don't understand why there's not amodel's union like why is there Sagan, Astra? Okay, I'm sad, I am afterperfect, but why is there not a union for models that protect us from thiskind of abuse, labor abuses? You know it's like. I can't believe. No, it'scome up with that. Yet, maybe that's a future project for you then can I I had too many. That's what it outthere. I'm like somebody else needs to do this, protect all the up and cominggirls, like God, yeah put it out into the universe and somebody herthel react. You mentioned all these things thatyou've got on your plate and I think this past year and a half of thepandemic has introduced more people are opened up more people to like being amenable to side hustleslike before they might be like you know,...

I can't do it, but now they don't havea commute like they're, maybe long enough work a little earlier, sothey've got some other projects that they might be playing around with, andif someone that has been balancing several things at once, what kind ofadvice do you have for someone? That's maybe just getting into a secondbusiness or side household I mean just go for your passions. Do What you love!I think that that's one thing if I can say that I'm I'm good at is following the trail of the things that make mefeel good. Make me feel alive that you know that definitely give back to otherpeople. I think that, like at this point of my life, I'm pregnant I'mabout to have a son. I start I started thinking a lot about. You know what amI doing for the world? What is the purpose of my life here? What what notonly am I going to leave my son, but what is my footprint here? What doesthat look like and what was the point of my life? You know it's like. I thinkthat anything that you do if you can give back to people you know, for me,it's been through Carsel that I've been able to do that. I've taken everythingI learned as a model and I've been able to basically pour it into this businessthat helps other people feel good about themselves, and that, for me, is justthe greatest gift on earth. I mean that literally feeds my soul, so I thinkthat for anyone, that's that's picking up a side. Hustle just do what you loveand you'll, be surprised at how successful you will become in it. Isthere a side? Hustle that you mention you might circle back to music and putmore focus towards the later. Is there anything else we were like I'd like todo that? Maybe now it's not right but the right time, but I think I could isthe real estate game a little bit more, I'm really into homes and constructionand building and remodeling like I love all that and I'm actually just going tobe meeting a builder today to help me execute some things in my own house. Soit's like. I love improving things and I'm at I'm like a I'm thirsty forprogress, so I think I would. I would love to get into something like that atsome point later on. You know just for investment properties. I think thatthat's really fun. What kind of improvements do you have plan for thehouse? Well, I want to run you my floors and, like you know, all newkitchen, and I have my baby room, I'm six months away, which doesn't soundlike a long time, but you can't believe how fast it just moves, and you knowwhen it comes to renovations. It can take many many months, so I'm alreadykind of trying to get his room together and you know just get it soeverything's ready, and so when he enters the world, it's like Mommy'stotally settled the house is straight. You know it's like nesting. I thinkthat's what every pregnant woman wants to do. It's it's nature right. Yes, yes,we're currently doing landscaping at the House here, so the same same typeof thing, where it's like. Oh it's nice to see it like progressing, but alsoit's it's kind of stressful. While every things going on to it is it'sstressful having a lot of people around your house right now to I think, justwith the pandemic, you know and I'm pregnant like. I get scared, I'm kindof living in my bubble right now,...

...because I couldn't get vaccinatedbecause of my ibs thing, and so it's like I'm really, you know living in abubble and so as a pregnant person, you're like way more at risk, and sonow it's like okay. What do I do? This is getting a little bit crazy. I thinkI got to go out and join the world again. I'm sure a lot of people mustfeel like this yeah, it's a wild and like out here in Austin and really inTexas, where everything one's back at stage five. So it's been sort of like almost a regression oflike okay, I'll see, people like walking and I'm like should. Should Icross the street like I'd like I know like I'm vaccinated, they might bevaccinated. I don't want to like it, but I'm sick or anything. So it's avery it's very interesting time to be out for sure. Oh I love Austin. Iactually lived in Dallas for for a while I've. Is it a little stint inDallas, and I I love Texas. I love living in Texas. I such an awesomefigger is theer. It's like, especially from New York. Iwent from New York I to Dallas and then back to New York again, and I was likewhat a you know your living standards. A give such a high quality of life inTexas is awesome. Yeah New York's public transportation system, certainlymuch better than anything in Texas, but yeah, just the size of any type ofliving situation. It's yeah much better text, yeah good! Do no question. I also liketo ask is a question that you wish. You were asked more frequently and we'vekind of touched on it a little bit but combining your beauty brand with yourmusic ambition. So we see it in the music video. Do you have other plans tokind of combine those two worlds? Well, you know what's really interestingtoday. Actually, today I'm so excited our commercial starts airing and yes,I'm super excited about that and then then I shot an infomercial, and so alot of the aspects of my music are showcase, just to put everythingtogether and kind of build brand awareness for people in the brand there's a lot of that in theinfomercial, and so we really shot it like a TV show. So it's almost like anentertainment TV show for thirty minutes long for advertising, but inessence it's an infomercial to sell the product, but I'm really excited aboutthat. That's just about to air nationally so that that's going to befun. Do you have like the exact time that ill air in La you can like beready at the TV? Yes, yes and that's we're like weeks away from theinfomercial area and then the commercial itself, which is a thirtysecond spot, will start airing today, all over spectrum. So if you're in likeLa County or Orange County yeah, it's going to be all over theplace. So that's really fun. I'm excited about that. You know it's likeright now. You really need to pivot as a brand owner and take thevulnerability away. You know from being so much a major retail. You know likeDillard and maces. We do business with major retailers, but but it's veryrisky, and we think you know that right now the opportunities really arethrough actual sales direct, your brand...

...on the Internet. You know so that's I'mtrying to just pivit a little bit to take the vulnerability away becausethose months during the pandemic, when the stores were all shut down, not tomention all the doctors offices were in tons of plastic surge in a doctor'soffice across the nation. Everything was shut down and it was really scary.So I knew then that in like many many many brands that sell online, but thatwe really need to focus in LOBOC. Have you found a certain type of digitalstrategy has been more effective than others. You know, I can't really say that Ihave completely checked that box yet were we of course, advertise all overfacebook and instagram and Google ads? You know and now we're doing we'rehitting TV now, which I think is. It might actually be better for us. It's really saturated. You knoweverywhere else, so it's just about really finding really dialing in s yourdemographic and really finding the way to do that, and so I think that we'rehonestly still in the process of that we have a lot of people that reallyreally like die hard. Just love. The brand and I'm so grateful for thatbecause they just word of mouth, I mean we haven't done a lot of advertisingfor my brand. It's really been this year that this is started. You know,and I'm just so proud that there were so many clients that were so happy withtheir results, that they told other friends and family. You know, and thenthey came to us and then it's like that. It just keeps growing like that andthat's the greatest compliment ever so that that's been really fruitful. Doyou have a favorite nice thing? Someone said about you, my Gosh. I mean I'm always grateful foranything. Anyone says. I think that a lot of times when I go online and Iread like even in some of our Google reviews what people have said about howthey've spoken to me personally and I like, took the time to teach them abouthow to take care of their hair and skin, and then they ordered the products andthey can't believe how their skin has cleared up or how their wrinkles havediminished, or you know their hair has grown or their eyelashes. I mean that Ilove hearing that I really truly love hearing that I have like brides thatare about to get married. That call me, because they're suffering from hairloss from all the stress of planning, a wedding, as was pre Covin, and Iremember a woman calling me and crying you know, and it was just so upsettingto hear how devastated she was about her wedding pictures and what they weregoing to be like, potentially because of her hair loss and what I got inthere as quickly as I could I over nighted her product and she had just afew months before her wedding and we sorted it out. I mean her. Hair grewback enough to hide the bald spots you know so it was really stuff like thatis like it's like meed for my soul. Honestly, that's why you do this. Youknow yeah, it's super cool, all right! I can do almost off the hook here, butwe've got one on this question for you and it's I always like to wrap up withthe top three and I'm going to be real honest. Yours is maybe a little bit ofa stretch, especially for an audio podcast, but you mentioned t some ofthe types of poses that you've had to...

...do as a model. So if you can describethese a way for an audio audience, what are your top? What are your top? Threeposes. Okay. Well, I can tell you one of the hardest post I used to be thegirl and all the covers of all the target. Posui. Do you buy target Isura?I was. I was the model in the front of that, and so every pair of Osuri is adifferent color of fabric right. So during the photo shoot as the model,you have to try every single pair on and you have to get in preciselyexactly the position that you were in before, and I mean you cannot, therecannot be a to hair AF place, so I remember those days and God less targetI loved them. They were my one of my biggest clients they paid so well andthey took such good care of me, but I remember, I would do home and I waslike crippled from holding a pose. You know with my toes pointed, and my oneleg like this one, like this perfectly lined up. I remember it was like myback everything I was killing me and so anyway, it was. You know, that's justone that really sticks out. In my mind that is well. Do you have other onesthat were more enjoyable? To do absolutely I mean I had so many greatexperiences as a model. I was a Misrebul for like probably five years,I traveled all around the world for them South Africa, Germany, all overEurope, France, all South America, all over the states- and it was really it was really amazing,working with them, because I was around all like the top surfers in the world.It would take us on these trips for the photo shoots and we wouldn't be withlike Rob Machado, and just all these huge surfers. You know, and we wouldjust they would just photograph us with those guys all around and it was such alifestyle and it was it was like a vacation, it was so much fun. I meanthe reet, Brazil was awesome to work for, and I was really young and I gotto see the whole world. That was probably one of my favoriteopportunities that I had, but there was so many clients that I think re bookedme, and I was really really grateful for that, because I really developed-and even still now, I've kept in touch with all these clients. It's like they.You know they become your friends because you go every year. The sameshows with them and you know it's fun. I did a lot of body work like when werein Landre, so I really had a lot of clients that were very repetitive andbooking me, and I was so grateful for that. I did a lot of body work too,like even recently I was Sidney Crawford's body double for Omegawatches. You know I did. I did a lot of bodywork like for Maxim fhm. All this, I did all those magazines, of course,every model in New York does that it's nothing that original, but I mean itwas. It was a ton of body work, Miso lots of great experiences, all aroundyeah, very grateful for all of them. Are you going back to the Brazil one? Are you a surfer? You knowI'm not my sister E got. I grew up on...

...the beaches of Florida that so I grewup around that element. I mean that's kind of like it's really. My childhoodwas all that it was the whole lifestyle I lived. You know bonfires at the beachlike that was where you know we would have ted parties when I was in highschool and that's kind of you know the Kini contest, like that's really whereit all started for me, I was used to running around half naked in aBrazilian Bikini. It was like no big deal to me so when I went to New Yorkand I'm like what's wrong with these girls, what's the big deal, I I I wasso used to that growing up on the beach and so yeah. It was quite the quintessential life, wolly, lovely yeah. I also cannot serve so I'm alwaysimpressed when I could see someone that yeah I er was actually in last highwater on the East Coast of Florida and she got attacked by a shark. Oh wowthat crazy yeah she's, totally okay. She didn't she almost lost her footthough, and it was insane what kind of I meanit was insane that never happens there. I mean never never to anyone that I'veknown- and I know all these surfers, so it was that was so wild and she's sograve. She still goes in the ocean and swims like way out there doesn't youknow she didn't let it get to her at all, but they say that the odds ofbeing struck by lightning are actually higher there being bit by a shark foranyone, who's listening, that's afraid to don't the a shit, that's impressive yeah! I got bit by aJelly fish once and that I'll still go back in the ocean, but it's always alittle more tentative. Now I think you're supposed to put a P on that. Iswear to God I got is, I think, that's a myth, because I always I've heardthat and I a yeah. I think I don't think it's like necessarily bad for you,but I think it doesn't help as much as people say, but I don't know I mean itjust happened, one a jelly, fish stings and it doesn't even do ye they're. Justit's just a way to preak your friends yeah. I don't know, I think they gaveme some sort of. I remember they gave me some sort of like there was alifeguard there, because I was, I don't know twelve, maybe thirteen in thesopping, and they gave me some likeallo based thing to rub on it and it workedeventually, but for for a day or so yeah I was like this is not I don'tlike this awesome. Well. Thank you so much for hopping on the podcast here.If people want to learn more about, you check out parasol work in the finder,yes check out Karsen with the K, K, E R, a cell Celcom, or you can find you oninstagram on super active on Instagram at Ekan, underscore Boslin Ekin,underscore Oz, l e n boom. Well, I can thank you so much for joining thepodcast is was Pentas pleasure. Thank you. So we've got to wrap up with aCorny joke, like we always do, try to make it a little business e themed here.Why did the financial system collapse in ancient Egypt? Oh Lord, tell me it's a lot of pyramidschemes. I'M gonna! Remember that I love it. Yes,please use it share it with the world...

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