Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 11 · 1 year ago

Exploring the Creative Process with Monotony: The Musical Creators Sarah Luery and Jared Chance Taylor

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Working on your own side hustle? This episode, featuring Monotony: The Musical creators Sarah Luery and Jared Chance Taylor, dives into how to find your inspiration and discover the creative process that works best for you. It's really fun to sing along with, as well!

Welcome to good people, cool things, the podcast featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives.I'm your host, Joey held, and today's guests are Sarah Luri and jaredchance Taylor, creators of monotony the musical, which launches as a podcast Tedday.Like you can listen to it right after this episode. We're talking allabout putting a project of this hef together, from the creative process to finding thetime to work on a side hustle when you have a fulltime job.Of course, we've got plenty of musical recommendations to check out as well,so let's dive on it. What was the inspiration behind monotony the musical?I guess it's started about ten years ago when I was probably my first JobPost College, and I remembered like this phrase just came through my head,this man on you will be the death of me, and I kind ofthought and they wrote it down and I kept kind of playing with it andbuilding upon it and eventually it became what appeared to be a song from theperspective of a specific character, and so I kind of kept working in andand accumulating more songs and eventually, I guess I kind of realized it was. It was a musical, but it kind of, you know, tookme by surprise to I didn't know what I set out to write when Ifirst arted. That's fantastic. And then how did you connect with Jarret toto kind of get the ball rolling? So we met online. I hadjust once I had a copy of the script with all the book in lyrics, I had started to reach out to composers and I remember just putting apitch out, saying hey, I'm looking for music that's kind of along theselines, and jared responded. He's like, I love musicals, and so,yeah, I just it just kind of happened that we were connected andI got the opportunity to meet him and really liked the project. And thatwas, I think, like five years ago at this point. So we'vebeen working together ever since with their one thing in particular that drew you tomonotony specifically, or was it just kind of the whole idea of it?I mean, I I had read the script. She, Sarah, hadallowed me to read an early copy of the script and I read it ata time when I had just, you know, had recently left school,was done with like schooling and was trying to like, you know, makea living as a creative, you know, doing music in La and this wasI don't know, there was so much about the character, the maincharacter, that I related to and thought, man, I like really identify withthis, and so I felt inspired...

...before it I even picked up aninstrument to write music for it. I was like, Oh yeah, I'mso and like I connect with this, and I was, you know,immediately sold. It was great. I think that's what the best projects comefrom, right where it's just that immediate connection. Yeah, Oh, yeah, and I had that. I definitely had that. Fantastic. So canyou kind of take us into then, the process of taking this idea,taking the script, and then turning it into an actual musical? What wasthe the kind of creative process into getting that off the ground? Yeah,yeah, no, that's a great question. I you know, it was alittle intimidating at first because I think, Sarah, I think you had beenworking on the script for for a number of years and here I amnow just the composer coming in and I was there. There were I kindof had this pressure on myself of okay, don't ruin it. You know,she's been working on it for years and here I come, I'm gonna, you know, read it and do my own analysis and try to makesomething of this. And so it I think it took, you know,a little bit to really break the ice and sink my teeth into something thatI was happy with musically. I mean we had talked about various just musicalsources, of musical inspiration. You know, Fiona Apple is a kind of atheme throughout the throughout the story. So there's summer her and I meanI was kind of pulling on on stuff I liked. You know, Ireally have a love for kind of older style musicals, kind of like Sondheimor or Andrew, Lloyd Webber even, you know, Leonard Bernstein, andso I kind of wanted to sprinkle some of that in there just because itfelt it felt like it could use a warm touch, almost like the waythey those those guys would orchestrate. And so, you know, it's itwas it almost felt like slow going at first, but once there was likea rhythm, it felt kind of felt like the music wrote itself. Itwas just it became natural and it became easy and the characters felt like friendsin a way, and so writing music for them felt just natural in areally nice way. That's awesome. And Sarah, from the the script perspective, I know at least I enjoyed, you know, little kind of elementsof like Oh, I'm gonna do it, oh you're going to eat falafel now, and it's like now I'll take you out to dinner, and justlike little elements, as someone that's in a client facing industry, in communication, the marketing, the elements of like Hey, I delivered something that aclient and they're mad, so I have to fix this real quick and nowthey're happy it. Was this all just just based off of real life,or did you consult with other people when you're putting it together? A littlemix of both. How did that I? How did that row? That's agood question. I feel like,...

...to some extent, sort of thesame way dared described that, it seems like as they got to know thecharacters better, the writing came a little bit easier from their various perspectives,and so it kind of felt like I was, you know, chipping awayat a block of marbled to see if I could get to know them betterso I could kind of hear what they were saying. So I'm sure thatmy own experiences have ended up in there, but it also kind of felt likeat times I was just almost recording, you know, conversations that I feltlike I started to be able to hear. And then I would saythat jared's music also helped immensely. I felt like that just gave the scriptlike a really full life that I don't think it had before I had heardthe music, and I think that also helped me to like go back andget to know the characters better, because, you know, it's kind of onething when you hear them in your own head, but then I feltlike jared sort of also understood them and helped me see further things. Sojust us going back and forth together and later on when we went on todo table reads with the actors, it just became more and more clear whothese people are. Do you have a favorite character? Goodness well, feltlike asking a favorite child. I know it asked all of the actors tokind of respond like Hey, are you a herbert or a Theo, becauseI feel like a lot of the characters sort of represent you know, playedup facets of all of us. I would say my favorite characters probably Herbert, and it's probably because, you know, I, like Herbert, run anxiousand, you know, kind of have to get out of my ownway. But I think you know that the other characters, like Theo,for me is a very aspirational character who I've always wished like I could live, you know, bravely and freely, and so, yeah, I thinkthere's something about all of them that I love, but Herbert's probably the oneI most identify with. How about you, Jared Oh man? Yeah, that'sthat's definitely a hard one. I think I it's just kind of theway I think I've always been. Just there's a lot about theo that isjust like, oh my gosh, that's totally how I would like handle thissituation or that's totally how I would act in this scenario. And it's likefunny, you know, until it's like to a fault and you're like Ohyeah, like, yeah, I see myself there too, in some ofthe not so great things about the character. And Yeah, I don't know,it's just something you kind of have...

...to learn to accept and invite andyeah, and laugh at so I definitely identify most with the OH. Imean as far as like a favorite goes. I think like I think, andthis is based on just the just the performance and and watching it.I think it's so entertaining to listen to Mr mcguiver. That presence is justso funny in any scene. From an entertainment perspective, he's probably my favoriteto experience. Very Cool, wonderful and Sarah, you had I touched onthis, that the inspiration came about a decade ago and it's been years inthe making of putting this together, and I would imagine at least part ofthat is that you have a full time job and jared has several clientss thathe's working with. So how did you find time to create an entire musicalwhen you're when you're working on other things? I think that's like the ultimate questionthat I face and that we end up exploring in this as well.So I know for me, the the writing ended up getting confined to alot of nights and weekends and a lot of our characters have like a kindof similar set up, and so there's even like a song that we wrotecalled five to nine, which is essentially implies that, you know, onceyour day job is finished, like that's kind of when you get to finallydo you know, the thing that really makes you tick, and of courseit's often not the thing that, you know, pays the bills. Andso I think, you know, for a really long time I struggled withthe you know, kind of inherent divide within myself of on one hand I, you know, need to have a job to pay the bills and Ialso enjoy what I do for for work, you know, in academic settings andlike data analysis. So there is like a facet of me that's justlike very analytical and I kind of love doing that stuff. And then,like there's a part of me that's always wanted to be writing, and fora really long time it felt like those parts were at odds and that,you know, if I was doing one, I couldn't be doing the other.And what I sort of discovered through this writing process, and you know, learning somewhat from the characters, is that it's kind of okay to workfrom like where you're at and to embrace things as they are. And so, you know, I am like a parttime writer and also academic and youknow, a bunch of of other things, and all of those things are fastfacets of me that, you know,...

I think kind of add to oneanother and make me who I am. And so it doesn't it doesn't feelso at odds anymore, but certainly, you know, when it when itcomes kind of putting in the work, it just becomes a very long,sort of disciplined day worker. You know, you go to work inthe morning and I know I used to bring my laptop on the bus and, you know, use my commute time to be writing and then in theevenings I'd rite and the weekends I'd write and you know, sometimes it feelslike a very isolating and lonely experience because there's a lot of you know,social things that you missed out on and just, you know, kind oflife opportunities. But in the end, like I'm okay with the sacrifice becauseI'm really happy and feel like I needed to create this thing in order toto feel really good. I just need to get this out. So Ilike that. And Jared, how about you working on multiple projects at once? How do you prioritize and kind of decide this is what I'm going tobe working on now? And while still giving attention to everything else that you'vegot going on. Yeah, so it's I feel like that's something I've learnedto navigate better with trial and error, as like more time goes by,as I like do this more, you know, in my head there's almostlike there's always been the hierarchy of like, you know, it's a spectrum ofdifferent projects you might be working on and there's a varying degree of enjoyment, you know, depending on the project. You know, some some stuff youdo is going to be like, you know, it's just sort oflike it's a job and you muscle through and you and you do it,but then there are other projects that are just man, you enjoy him andand went and working on it just feels timeless. You know, you cankind of get lost in it, and this, this project just writing musicfor monotony, was definitely one of those where it just that like it waseasy to make time for, it was easy to really invest in it,even in the midst of juggling like, you know, writing music for otherthings. This was just almost like a an escape to just something that waslike really enjoyable. I know there was like a you know, there wasa period of time, while writing music for this, I was doing somelike music for these like little like kids educational videos, and they all kindof like sounded the same and you know, after you do like ten of them, they're kind of soul sucking. You're like like I'm over this,you know, but it was it would be nice to like leave that andthen dedicate time to like fleshing out.

Okay, like what's what's Theo's theme? You know, like what can ring true? Like what can he singthroughout the musical or what can herbert come back to and say, you know, like if developing musical ideas and in the context of this story was justso it was such an enjoyable experience and so I don't know, it likethe the planets kind of aligned for this. It was it was an easy thingto set aside time to write music for this project, even in themidst of so much. That leads me to kind of a related question.I think you've both touched on it a little bit. If and more so, I guess, with the the projects that aren't, is Cathartic and youknow it's as fun to kind of dive into. Do you have any kindof productivity tips or things that you found very helpful maybe when you are workingon I don't know if necessarily if everything has to be soul sucking. Thatis really difficult to get through, but just things that maybe aren't, youknow, are necessary to get done, but aren't number one on your likeheck, yeah, I want to do this list. Yeah, it's it'sdifficult because I think when it comes to something that's supposed to be creative,it's hard to like force inspiration to happen at a schedule time sometimes, butI find myself kind of doing that. I mean I'm someone who I've learnedthis about myself. I have to be like very organized and detailed. Likeokay, like Tuesday morning, from like eight am till like noon, I'mgoing to work on x project and then I'm going to take a lunch breakand then from one to four that's for this other one, you know.So I've kind of learned to just compartmentalized thinking and creativity with time, usingtime instead of and sometimes I'll use space. Sometimes I'll like very, very intentionallygo to a different studio and work on a certain project at a certainstudio and then my head space can be there and it doesn't like blend withlike working from home or something like that. Does that make sense? Yeah,for sure, I agree. Even just when I am working from home, any kind of like if I'm if I pull my laptop out and kindof like hop on the bed, chances are I'm not going to get anythingdone for sure and easily get distracted. And Yeah, I do think itmakes a difference being in a set environment. Like right now I'm in my podcastingstudio. So when I want to do things related to podcasting, evenbeyond recording episodes, I'll come in here just because that's the mindset. Mybrain goes, Oh, I'm in here, it's time to get some podcasting stuffdone, and I think that does help a lot more than people generallytend to think. Yeah, I think when you, if especially to,if you like go to college, you're used to like the dorm experience.You you homework into the dorm and then you sleep in the dorm. Soit's easy to just kind of blend like...

...work and living until one thing andthen when you're out of school, you, I mean you know, your brain, without even realizing it, could be like yeah, no, thisis I can I can keep it the same when like, no, thelike. It's nice to have just like spatial separation of like work and leisure. I think you know, that's good. That's good that you do that.That's awesome. Yeah, try to at least. Sometimes I'm still unproductivein the other rooms, but at least at least a little more saying yeah, Oh, yeah, well, yeah, fantastic. So Sarah, the themusical, is launching as a podcast on tax day, although now Iguess with the the extended tax day, it's like the first round of taxday and then there's also July fifteen. So with this always the plan toto debut it as a podcast, or did that just kind of come alongduring the process? Yeah, so, up until about a year ago wewere still developing this as like a traditional stage musical and, you know,we had done a number of table reads and I'm not I'm not exactly suresort of why the inspiration arrived, but I know that some of the feelingsbehind it were that even if we were to have this on the stage,it ends up having kind of a limited run at, you know, alocal theater, and then that's kind of it. And so we really wantedto create something that eventually could have a life on the stage, but wouldhave its first iteration, you know, in a very like public and accessibleway. We thought, you know, let's just get it out there.I know I listened to a ton of cast albums like throughout the day,during my work day, and so I just thought, you know, itwould be really cool if we could listen to this musical that's takes place inan office and it is about kind of work life balance, you know,if you could listen to that while at your own office or well, goingthrough your own day, and you know, we thought this could be kind ofa really cool way to get something out there, just allow everyone tohear it and then, you know, eventually it could be developed for firstage and other medium but at least it would kind of be like a proofof concept and be out in the universe and something that people could check outright now. And then, I guess the you know, the timing andeverything, especially with, you know, Corona and it ended up being,I guess, kind of an interesting time to be releasing a an audio onlytheaeder medium, and that, you know, all the theaters have closed and soa lot of the publications that probably...

...initially wouldn't review, you know,off off Broadway, which is what we're called, started to take interest inus and it you know, that kind of added another layer where it startedto feel good that this thing that we've been working on for a really longtime could ultimately be like the source of entertainment and joy during really tough timesand also something that, you know, people can experience in their own homeswhere, no, when we're not really supposed to be outside and out andabout. So, yeah, I guess the date formally known as tax day, April. Fifteen of them. That's been in the works for a while, but it definitely took on like a whole new layer of meeting with everythingthat's going on. Yeah, I think it's I know I've just been seeingpeople ask for podcast recommendations or like Hey, I've never listened to a podcast before, which always blows my mind to hear. But there are many peopleout there like that and and just looking for recommendations, and so I Ithink it is unusual time. But for all the reasons you talked about,this is a really accessible way to get like a theater quality musical while stillbeing at home and not having to risk going out into the wild. Yeah, for sure, good deal. And of course, both of you,lots of you know musical background. You you're both fans of musicals, andso this is what I was going to ask anyway, even before you suggestedit, Sarah. But what are each of yours top three musicals? Wecan go back and forth. Sarah, you can give your your first onefirst, and then jared, you can hop in and then we'll have everyonevote at the end and see who has the better list. I want tohear yours to Joey, oh boy. Okay, so my number one kindof always is Sunday in the park with George. I love it because it'sabout, you know, this exact same thing, like the work life balance, being creative and kind of what are the repercussions of devoting yourself to yourwork? Lovely, jared, what's your number one? Yeah, you tookmy number one. That's I was going to say that was my number one. Yeah, honestly, that musical was like so, I don't know,it was so helpful for for monotony and for kind of framing, framing,you know, this musical musically like you know drew a lot of inspiration fromit. It's again, yeah, work life, balance, being accessible andjust the idea of community. Like you know, it's just such a goodstory and my dad's an artist, my dad's a painter, and I justthere's there's so much of my dad I see in George and it's just likeyes, you know, like it's cool, it's super cool. Yeah, Iwould in that as my favorite as...

...well. Henice fantastically. Oh goodness. Yeah, I feel like my my musical knowledge is far more basic thanthe both of yours. I I am gonna say this is perhaps just inspiredby my love of s music, but I always enjoyed the four seasons andwhen Jersey boys came out, getting to go see that and just kind ofsee the story of how they they formed and became this massive supergroup, justlike these hooligans from New Jersey. It was I mean the soundtrack, obviously, is phenomenal. There's a nice little cameo from the angels with my boyfriend'sback. Obviously not the real singers, but here the traditional ones, Ishould say, but I just I thought that was, you know, areally a really solid soundtrack, obviously, which is important in any musical,but just an interesting story too. And getting I never saw it in itsBroadway run. I believe I saw it in Chicago, but still still agreat time. And just the harmonies of the four seasons are always so impressiveto me as someone that is in a band, but it is not agreat harmonizer, like we're not singing, you know, acapella style, barbershopquartet songs, and I'm always like very impressed at people that can just naturallykind of pick up a harmony and like join in a song like that.So, Kuda, are so nice. It was so good. Yeah,good answer. Thank you. Thank you. I hope it doesn't go downhill fromthere. All right, sorry, what's your number two? My numbertwo is cabaret, and I just think that musical is so brilliant with,you know, the way that it tells a story completely in metaphor and it'sso poignant and so shocking and heartbreaking and yeah, it just I've seen itin several different iterations and every time it just I'm left, you know,completely speechless. Brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, I love the mcy in that inthat musical. That's like such an interesting character. Yeah, and it'samazing how people play it like really differently. Oh Yeah, I I love howit for interpretation. They leave it yeah, like so purposefully ambiguous.Yeah, that's a good answer. My second favorite is it's so funny becauseI kind of go back and forth. They'll probab I'd probably say something differenttomorrow. But I really love Jesus Christ superstar. I think that is likeso oh my goodness, talk about such like a cool, disruptive take onsomething so traditional. I just love that. Like you've got like Jesus and Judaslike just Belton and doing runs four...

...days like insane. It's so cool. I just like the first time I saw it I just immediately fell inlove with it as just like what a what an awesome idea for a musical, and they what they accomplish with it and just kind of the human drama, you know, bit between like specifically between them, between like Jesus andJudas, is so like you. I don't think you get that from justtaking a cruise for the Bible so much, but it's just like, I don'tknow, it's the cool interpretation of the story. I love it.I completely concur. I agree for like two seconds I was thinking Joseph andthe technicolor dream coat and I was just like Huh, and then it's justwhen it I was like, nope, no, totally, totally on thewrong with Wrong Bible Story. Yeah, but stylish, both of them,very stylish, very stylish. Oh yeah, so good. My I agree that. I feel like if you ask me this like next week, thatI'd probably have different answers for all of this. But it's the the samewith, you know, favorite songs and artists so much. But my numbertwo just because this is one of the first musicals I remember seeing in atheater. So I don't know if this is gonna this might be cheating,because I like I actually have seen it as a musical, but the orat least like a I've never seen one live. I feel like I mate. I mean, I guess that would be a bootleg copy, but maybeI haven't seen it as a musical. But in any case, the producers, which I think is just a very entertaining storyline, just of like,you know, the accidental, like Nazism. That's just good, kind of rampantthroughout it. So just a very like kind of bizarre sort of plotobviously you know mel books, being involved in the the writing of it isalways going to lead to some some weird roundabout little ways of presenting things.So it's on the list to actually go see live. But that's just oneof the earliest musical memories I have, so I've got include on my list. I recently learned that he like fled. I don't know if he he likefought in World War Two or if he had fled Europe, but hewas like he was involved and I didn't know that. I didn't. Ihad no idea. I didn't know that about Melbourne. But and then hewent on to write that and I'm like, oh my gosh, talk about takinglike a traumatic life experience and putting it into something I don't know,like something like the producers, like what a a, I don't know.That just that left a profound effect on me. I was like wow,that's that's interesting, noth incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't knowthat either. Yeah, but I'm cool. All right. So Iguess rapping up the list. My third...

...although I became slightly swayed by jaredsaying Jesus Christ superstar, I'm going to say fiddler on the roof. Itjust every time I see this show I'm look like gob smack by how perfectit is. And you know just the way that the themes, like thesame theme of tradition just like resonates throughout the entire story and all the implicationsof that. And I remember watching a documentary about musicals, I think,and they're talking about the making of fiddler and how at first they're kind ofstruggling to pull the whole thing together and someone was asking them like you know, what is this about? They're like, well, it's about tradition, andso the opening number ended up being kind of like one of the lastthings that they wrote. And I don't know, it's just I just thinkthat is like one of the tight and beautifully told stories. Yeah, that'sit. I love that. I love Filler on the roof. Can't gowrong with that. Can't go wrong with that. Yeah, third and finally, I probably I don't know my first favorite musicals go. I I'll gowith that. Man, I love the music in west side story this youjust can't beat the songs, I think when it just comes to just stuffthat's so memorable and timeless, and I mean that music just gets stuck inmy head all the time with and it'll it's been months since I've listened toany of it or heard any of the songs, but I'll just I'll findmyself just humm and stuff from it all the time. And I mean it'sa great story too, but I think just musically, like, oh mygosh, Leonard Bernstein is Bernstein Bernstein is incredible, incredible. That's like Iwill also I'm going to this is not my third choice, but I willsay as far as Karaoke performances go, out tonight from rent I I haveseen a couple different people do like a fantastically well. So if you're everin need of a Karaoke song and you're like it has to be from amusical, that would be my recommendation. have to see this. And Joey'san amazing karaocust. Oh Yeah, Sarah, Sarah and I have a terrific duetof D twelves my band that is requested high and low across the land. Yes, Oh my gosh, let me know when the next performance ison there. Yes, I am do another La visit, which will probablybe postponed for at least a little bit, but maybe in the fall when it'slittle less hot anyway, because it gets I mean, if you've everbeen, we're going to have a shout out backstage and Culver City. Itgets pretty hot and jam packed in there pretty quickly. So I definitely definitelynicer to go not in the summer, so it's you can step outside andat least rejuvenate yourself a little bit.

Totally sign me up. I'm in, I'm there. Excellent, we will make it happen. I love it. But my actual number three answer I have to give a shout out tomy home town, well, near I'm town, a Jason of Chicago,which I think it's just like a kind of an interesting based on a truestory crime of you know, the the crime that was running rampant in Chicagoback in the now I'm blanking on what what decade it's said in, butback in the eighteen to to S. there's lots of good, you know, Shenanigans going on Chicago during that time. So that'll that'll be a nice blanketway to cover it. But I'm also probably a little bit biased becausethis is the musical I've most recently seen during a trip to New York lastyear and saw that one wanted to see the temptations one as well. Thatwas all sold out for the days I was there. So devastating. Butmaybe, yeah, maybe, next year I'll have a new, new replacementfor Jersey Boys. I can just replace one s group with another, BillBattle. Yes, yeah, I'll just add them both. They'll just bothbe good, because you can never have enough all these. I think thatwould make a good musical. Just have them to get up. Yeah,is that kind of like what pitch perfect? Oh yeah, Dang it, theybeat us. Yeah, absolutely. That's funny. I'm always blown awayby how good pitch like everyone on pitch perfect is able to just immediately likejoin in on a you know, they have like choreograph dances and the perfectlike harmonies, and when everyone comes in, just like set on these songs thatare supposed to be completely off the cuff. So those are truly themost talented for formers work like Holy Co that's so true. I also hadthis idea to do like a west side story spoof based off of like spinclass versus like site outside cyclists, and I don't know exactly how that wouldgo down, but that's just one thing I thought of, like wall inspin class. That, yeah, that would be a fight. That wouldbe fierce. I can see it. Can definitely see it. It's marketable. Thanks. What side would you be more on? Oh Man, likeprobably, unfortunately, the spin class side, which I'm sure it is like theactual arks, you know that actual sharks like. I think that spinclass is probably like the side that we're...

...not supposed to root for. Idon't know, I don't know what they're I don't know what the statistics are. Are they're more? Are there more spin? Are there more spin cyclistthan there are actual bicyclists? I feel like in California at least. Yeah, we have a biased population. Yeah, I don't know, go for it, run after it. Yeah, it's a good idea. Yeah,I like it. I'm on board. I'd probably be more on the theoutdoor cycling side, but it's more just because I feel like I like mybutt gets more painful in this the spin cycle classes and outdoors I can likekind of stand up and float down a hill or something. You're a classicjet there. It is magical. Well, y'all, are almost off the hook, but if people want to find monotony the musical learn more about it. Where can I go? Well, take a good to Mantney the MUSICALCOMand we're also on Instagram, same handle. Manann need the musical. And thenyou can actually subscribe. Twist. Right now we have fully a thirtysecond teaser up. If you go to your favorite podcast APP, just searchfor Mon monotony the musical. There's a colon in there which may or maynot be needed. I'm not sure. But yeah, you can subscribe nowand then come April, fifteen full magically appear in your feet. But it'sthe most magical thing when I get a new podcast episode. Yes, awesome. Will Sarah and jared, thank you so much for taking the time tohop on here and chat all things monotony and musicals. Yeah, thank you, Joey. It's been awesome. Thanks so much, showy, for havingus, of course, and as astute listeners at this podcast now, Ialways like to end with a Corny joke, so let's make it. I it'snot. It's not really musical themed, but I it's music themed at least, and I just heard it the other day and I thought it wouldbe fun for sure here. But why did the pirate buy a PAVARATI albumbecause he loved the high seas. Good after today, people, oh mygosh, I'm going to use that so good, I'll credit you. Idon't need the credit, just go for let's go. He's like, Idon't want to be associated with that.

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