Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 93 · 8 months ago

93: Writing Advice, Cooking Tips,and the Power of Travel with Dr. Pamela Gurley

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Dr. Pam Gurley grew up as a military child and even served in the Army herself. So, how the heck did she end up an author of more than a dozen books, including the children's book series Brown Girl and Brown Boy?

We're diving into all of that in this episode. We're talking about her writing process and everything that goes into designing a book. Side note: Pam finished one book in TWO WEEKS—if that's not a kick in the pants, I don't know what is. And since we're both avid travelers, there's plenty of discussion around some of our favorite spots and a few sites still on our list.

Dr. Gurley also offers tips for bookshelf and closet organization, and drops some knowledge about cooking (and why it's okay to improvise in the kitchen). Let's hop to it!

Good people cool things as a podcast feature and conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. Get inspired by their stories to do your own cool thing, and here's your host, Joey held. Welcome to good people, cool things. Today's guest is Dr Pam girly, who takes on many different roles. She's an author, speaker, CEO, podcaster, professor and savvy businesswoman, and we're trying to get into all of those things. But there's definitely some more exploring to be done after the fact, but we cover plenty in this episode. We're talking all about her experience as a writer, her new series of children's books, how she designs the cover, all of the other elements that go into book writing besides actually putting pen to paper or keystroke to computer screen, however you want to phrase it. We're chatting about PAM's amazing travel history as well. She's been to forty US states and thirty one countries, learning all about different cultures and viewpoints of the world. We're talking about her background in the army as well. You might not guess from looking at her, but she is a veteran, a military brat, as she describes it. And there's just so much jam packed into this episode. Pamela has lots of great experiences and insights and she's sharing them all, which is what you like to hear on a podcast. You don't want someone that's just like no, and then it's akward silence for a minute. We like here the other way around here. If you like to get in touch with good people cool things, you can reach out for you facebook, twitter or instagram at GPCT podcast, and you can always send an email. Joey at good people, cool thingscom and now let's hop into the conversation with Pamela. For people who don't know who Dr Pam girly is, can you tell us your elevator patch and can you also tell us the type of elevator that we're writing on? You know what? So I would have to say that, first and foremost, everything that I do evolves around writing. So I could sider myself a writer. I am a technical writer, I am an author writer and I'm a media writer. So, in a nutshell, I am a writer and I would say that if you are on an elevator with me, you know, but I'm going to even say it's a superstardom elevator, because I am a woman of many talents, because there's so much more to me outside of everything that I do. So when people ask me who is Payam or Pamela or Dr Pam, I would say that I you know, I'm I'm a driven woman who loves food. I'm a big Foodie, I love traveling and I really just love to operate and Servi to I love knowing that I can change people's lives in some way, shape or form and for them to make that transformation that's necessary for them to live in their authentic truth. And I have to ask, as someone else that has certainly dabbled, I, or I should say, gotten more into cooking during the pandemic. I've always been kind of interested in it, but not with more free time, it's like, let's do more of it. Do you have a favorite meal to cook? I do not. I don't even have a favorite meal to eat. Okay, I think for me I because I like to experiment. So I don't have anything set. Are there things that I cook better than other things? Certainly, but I'm that type that I love experimenting. So I would make my own marinade. I love lamb chop so I experiment with different seasonings and flavors and creating just different things that I look what. I look at online and I'm like, Oh, I might have to make that or I'll try that out, but I'll make it with a twist because, you know, sometimes I don't know where the grocery shop they find the some of the things and if it's not already in my house sometimes and I don't go get it, I'm going to improvise. I don't have anything specific that...

I would say is my favorite to cook. Love it. Yeah, some of those recipes it's like thirty two different spices and I'm just like, I'm not trying to spend four hundred dollars on this. I will use the garlic and salt that I have Aaron exactly exactly. You know, and I mean I think that so many things have natural flavors. Like I will cook with natural herbs like parsleys and Slatro and put as a basils and fresh, you know, fresh mint things. So that's how I really love to cook and experiment, especially during covid. So during the first year of Covid I had my own garden, so I was gardening and I grew my own everything, herbs and vegetables. So I was going out picking out my own Halipinos and what else was out, like Celantro and Bass I was making my own. I had tomatoes. I was just growing all kinds of stuff so tasty. I did the same too. I had just basil and tomato, though, because it was my first time trying to actually garden, and I think at the beginning I was a little skeptical, like how, you know, how much better can this be really? And then the first time I made pesto and then tried the tomatoes, I said, okay, I see big difference. See why this is so much better. Yes, you know what people don't believe. You know, believe me when I say something. There's something about your own going out and picking fresh it cooks different, it tastes different. You don't even have to cook it for as long either. So there's something about just going out there, having your own garden and picking whatever it is that you want out of that garden. I'm not saying I grew a whole lot of things, but it made me get turned onto freshness. So then in the next year I was like, Oh, I think I'm going to I want to grow more. So you then then I gave out. was like, okay, that was quickly died as soon as I was able to get out the house. It does take more work than it does think you'd think. Yeah, it absolutely does. Now, going back to you said first and foremastter a writer. Do you remember the very first thing you wrote or, if not, that the first thing that you wrote where you're like, okay, I want to do this for a living? I don't. I think who? That's such a good crest of a really great question, because I started writing poetry when I was very, very young and I have all my books, even from my childhood when I was writing and I had some published in compilation books and I don't even I think my mom still has one of them. The other one, I don't know what it is. I don't even remember the name and I didn't really take it that serious then. But I don't recall the first thing that I wrote. I probably have to look that looked at up maybe by dates, because a lot of my poetry I dated. And so it goes back to like the S. I always love like stumbling upon things like that where I'm just like, because we obviously we change over time, but it's such an interesting almost like a snapshot of just that era of what we were going through, what we were thinking, and it's super cool to say, yeah, I'd like I'm Pol I just so happened to pull one now. Yeah, this one, this one's Day. Get back to ninety three and I was even writing before then. So I have multiple books. They still on my bookshelf, you know, of course, on my avid reader as much as I am a writer. Naturally, being turned onto writing and understanding the content, that the construct of how you should write and how to story tell, whether it's personal or whether it's fiction or a mixture of both. Now I want to get into that storytelling process because I think your spot on that. That's very important. I have an important question. First, your bookshelf. How do you organize it, or do you? I do not. I absolutely do not, although I organize it typically by sizes of books. I have college books because...

I'm a college professor and of course I had a doctor's I still have some of my books from school. I have language books, of you know, to build Spanish vocabulary. All of my books are, you know, that our Spanish or kind of together. But I really don't have them in alphabetical order or anything like you will find in a library. I don't have them set like that. No, do we decimal system going on? I like it. No, not, not at all. They're not even by author or anything else. So it's just they're just there. You know, there is a in my mind, there's a way of function, way of them being there, but for the most part now I'm on your side on that. My sister has hers organ as by Color, which is esthetically very nice and pleasing, but I feel like I have difficulty finding things, so I just like my kind of haphazard organisation style. This is only four books now. My closet is just like that. It's by it's by work, it's by color. In my shoes are the same way in my closet. I'm very OCD when it comes to certain things, but when it comes to books, like I have all my Spanish books together, I have all of my college books together, and then we you know, personal reads. I don't think I really have together some. Most of it is by height and that's kind of how I've done him. I like. I like. I also might need your help with my closet because it is very under I can't even have colorful hangars. All of my colors fell and my hangers are the same color in my close yes, that's that's next level. I like it. I like it that you talked about how storytelling is such an important element in fiction, non fiction, whatever the case may be. So when you're writing, I hate asking it like this because it's such a clar saying question, but what's kind of your writing process like and how do you make sure that the story you're telling is one that's going to be impactful the readers? So, because I don't really write fiction, I like to think that I don't like write fiction, although I can have fictional characters because, like my children's books, their fictional characters, but the information in it is not so fiction, it's real life. It's teaching you how to love yourself from the inside to the outside. Other books that I have written a say for adults. They are impactful because it's it comes from inside. So a lot of times I'm shedding exactly how I feel and how I see the world. I think being a call myself a geft that writer, I'm able to put myself in other people's shoes and situations and feel just by talking to them. I connect with so many different people in my life and I've talked to them and I've traveled. So my perspective is very well rounded, and so when I am writing, I'm writing from those experiences, whether I had them or someone else has had them, and in it I took issue with it. Whether it's from a hurtful place or an excited place, it was still something that resonated in me that I could have an opinion on, and so those are the things that I write about. It never takes me very long to write. I recently published a PR guide. You know, was a book, but it was a I call it the PR prep guy. I finished that in two weeks and published it because it was people kept asking me questions and I was like, oh my gosh, okay, so let me in this so that people don't have to ask so many questions. And someone who now I'm two years into having a PR I look at it very differently. I also look at it very differently from a journalist standpoint. So I use that experience both through both lenses to write something, and I did. It just pours out of me and that's my writing process. I know a lot of people...

...say, Oh, I don't know what to write, you just write. You write and you clean it up later, or you write and you throw out what you don't need. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that. I think the the blinking cursor is the great enemy of a lot of people and it's like, oh, just start writing like it's you're probably not going to use a hundred percent of what you write, but you're going to get some good stuff out of it and I think that's definitely sure. Yeah, that's the most important so that that's the what I tell everyone when people talk about right, just right. It doesn't have to be anything significant, it doesn't have to make sense. It could be thoughts, it could be ideas, wherever you write them, however you write them. The most important part is when it comes to you, you just write, because you never know when you would when you will use it later on. You might end up using it in another book. I be I will be honest when I before I even published my first book, I've never had no intentions on being a writer. I wrote my first book and well, I did an anthology in two thousand and nineteen and then in two thousand and nineteen a two months later I actually published my own book, which was, you know, a solo project, and I said I am never writing again. And then, yeah, I didn't. And in two thousand and twenty two didn't write anything. And then two thousand and twenty one hit and I published in March, I published in June, of fish in August, I published in September, I published in October. So now I think I think of myself. Okay, so officially I'm sixteen time published. I'm probably really an author now and really truly a writer. I love it. So are you? Do you still have those thoughts that pop up after you published a book where it's maybe for like a day or two we're kind of like, I'm never doing that again? You know what, I don't even have those thoughts because I have other books that are coming out. I'm going to be publishing my children's book every quarter, you know, a new set every quarter for the next two years. So I really can't say I'm not going to be an author up and to that point. But also I also have other projects outside of those children's books that are coming out that I'm wrapping up. I have another one that should be released this month, if not early part of the next month. I have another one I'm praying to finish up that it's taking me a very long time to write. So there there are times that other books do interfere with other projects that I'm working on. Yeah, do you get like mixed up between the two where you're writing one of them and a story from the other one kind of like seeps its way? Now? Nope, just this one book is taking me a long time to finish. I thought my first book, because it was very personal, it was about my life, I thought that would be very difficult, but not like this one. I've been writing this one for about two years, a year and a half, and it's really it's that challenging to write. It's a very uniquely written book and so I plan to finish it. I have a goal to finish it this month. Hopefully, I hopefully I'll meet go but I want to see it through. Yes, now it's the challenge every every year. I will not every year, but a couple of years I have tried to do national novel writing month, but the fact that it's in November, like I'm traveling for Thanksgiving, this also seems to be a pretty common month for wedding, so sometimes I'm traveling for that and it's just it's tough to write on the road, which I know is just an excuse, but yes, it is, because I if I'm not driving, I can. I can do a lot of work while I'm writing, and I've been known to do that. Yes, I have tried typing in the car or writing with the pen and paper, and it does not end well. Whoever is driving would not appreciate that. I get very noxious enough to pull the car over to stuff, oh, rebalance myself. So, oh, that's awful. It's yeah, it's not great. On an airplane, sure, I'm I can do work, no problem.

Obviously, sitting in an on moving area, so also doable. But yeah, in a car is like the one spots when you said when you're not driving, I admire your ability to work as a passenger in the car. Oh yeah, I can go totally deep in thought. You know when I'm when I'm driving. I know when I'm riding, when I'm writing, and I don't have to drive. Oh yes, and so we're not. But with the reason why I say that when I'm driving I still work, except for instead of writing. If I'm by myself, Betty is, I do audio and then I transcribe it later on. That's yeah, that's a great technique to do, and it's like you're promoting to if you're out on a walk. You're promoting exercise while you're writing. It's a win win, it is, and so a lot of times that's what I do, because it's ideas come. You have to be ready to put those down, and so I do. I make use of if I'm fum walking or writing, I will either vote, you know, vocal record it and transcribe it later, or I put it in my notes. If it's just a single sentence, then I'll put it in my notes. And because I do have several of those and sometimes I end up using them and sometimes they just sit there and it's terrible because I'm sure I have a whole lot that is just sitting there. Well, maybe that's for two thousand and twenty two. You know, I have the unpublished notes. If you know what that would be? How that would be interesting. Yeah, but they were. There's a whole lot, three hundred and twenty three notes just in my phone. Yeah, it's very impressive. Wonder how many notes I have now? Probably not. I had to look because I was like, I'm not. I put a lot in my notes and I never know what they are, especially as a writer. So if somebody that does media, I even think of titles for my own stuff. So that's what I that's what I do, and now I'm putting I just found one, so I'm like, Oh, let me make sure and pin it so I don't forget that specific thing, because you never know what becomes a title. Oh No, it's amazing how that happens. You're just like yeah, you're like sitting around, what day and you're like wait, that's it. I know and I absolutely love that. I can pin stuff now, even if I know how to do that on the IPHONE. You can pin your notes, like the ones that's most important to you. Like, out of the three hundred and twenty three, I have maybe ten that are pinned. Well, you know what, Pam, you've taught me something new today. So now make great use of your notes and then just pin it, because when you pin it you're more likely to go back to it. I have stuff in here. I probably have not gone back to three hundred and twenty three. I'm probably not really going back. I say website links, I say book notes. I've saved even book chapters, I where I've started rafting different chapters that I want in my books. That's another thing that I do. I draft, I do outlines of the things that I want and that's what I sometimes will write in it and then sometimes I will make changes, but initial thoughts about things that I write go right into my notes. Efficiency is just spectacular. Very impressed. Well done all around. And one of the books. You've been talking about it a little bit, your children series, Brown girl and Brown boy. You've got, yes, three out. Currently, is a corrector. Is the fourth one out as of last month? Okay, it's so. So I have two titles and six books out, because my books are published in English, French and Spanish. So there's two books. One is brown boy, the social, Brown girl be social, but they're in the English, French and Spanish, and then there's Brown girl break Berriers, Brown boy break bears, and those are also written in English, French and Spanish. So the way that publications work, every title, no matter what language, requires a different ISSB. In the other part, people may not who don't publish or you...

...know, is interested in publishing. If you go from a hard cover to a softcover, those require two different is is bens and two different publications. So it's the same book, but it requires a different ISS be in number the way that it's published. So you have to published the hard copy and then published a soft copy. So technically you're have two times published. Love it. Love it. And one of the other things that I think is always interesting is to kind of talk about the book covers because, like, as you know, there's a lot of books out there and when people are browsing in a bookstore or they're looking online, they're seeing covers next to other covers and things like that, and I think both for your children's books but also for the other books that you've written, I think they all have very eye catching, attractive covers that would make people stop scrolling if they're looking online, or make people kind of stop browsing at a bookstore. So can you kind of take us through were these you're like, did you have these ideas for covers right away, or what did that kind of look like to get them to the funnel results? So I'm such a Weirdo when it comes to writing. A lot of times I come up with the title of the book that I want and before I write anything. Except for my children's book, I would say that. But the other covers, I may I create the covers before I even start writing. It's like an inspiration for me to see something right there. And I created all of my own covers for all of my books, the Children's book. The Children's book because it requires an illustrator and I am by no means and artist or an illustrator. So No. But so here's a unique thing about children's books. When, once the manuscript is written, then that's when the homework begins. So the manuscript is really easy, especially for the age group that my children's books are in. The manuscripts are so easy to take push out there. But once you're done with the manuscript, you literally have to take every page that you want and do design right it out. What color, if you if they're in a bedroom, because you have to say scene or setting, and then colors you, I mean down to everything. What do you want in the room? You know, because I look at my children's books. They wake up their inner room. I'm I'm choosing the color of the rooms, if the bed colors, things, I want on the wall, stuff, animals, toys, blocks, things that's going to be. You know, if it's a window, is a nighttime daytime? Or their trees outside? Is it facing another house? What color all those things? What color is the children wearing? How was the hair? There are so many dynamics that go to it. And it's the exact same way for the cover. How do you want the cover to look? What colors do you want? Are they goings it very colorful? Is a very dark? What is the chart? What is the child doing? is she doing something or he doing something? That's in the book? Then you have to also consider the back of the cover. The back of the cover, you have to ask yourself the same exact questions. How do you want the back cover to look, because it has to look tasteful from the front cover to the back cover. So if the front cover, like my girl, was outside and the boy of outside, it needs to be able to rotate all the way around to where it makes sense. So on. Like I say, on Brown girl be social. On the front cover she's standing up by a swing. On the back cover she's sitting on a bench. But the background in and of itself really looks the same. She's outside, there's flowers, just grass, there's a fence, there's all of those things. And then you also have to write the description of the book on the back. There's so many things, and then format size. Then you have to do test cover copies. It is and pray that you get to get it right the first time. It is so much that...

...goes into it that I almost preferred to write your right to write adult books. Adult books don't require that much at all. No illustration, unless you're doing one of those sci fi or books that have a lot of, you know, imagery and pictures and whatnot. But no, if you're just writing an adult book, and you might have to have a few little things here and there, because I think in my book I had some pictures of me at summer and color somewhere, and bat and black and white. That was still easy. It's nothing illustrated. Didn't require any quote unquote homework, and I call it homework because that's what my illustrator said. Now I'm going to need for you to do some homework for me. That's what yeah, so that's kind of what it was. So I wrote it down and so now whenever I find people who want to, you know, just do children's books. That's when I let them know you sure, because here's what you're going to have to do. Here's the homework. And I thought we were done with homework once we graduate at school, but here we are. Yeah, it's Oh, it's there are so many things that go into it. It's crazy. It's rewarding, though. It is something extremely rewarding to see your book come alive because pages, you just write the manuscript, but when you all this detail that you provide and your illustrator puts all of these colors there and characters in places, all of those things, it's mesmerizing. I cried, I literally cried when I first saw the actual printed copy of my book. I totally agree. I just I have one book under my belt and that was the same, the same reaction. I just remember I was grinning like an idiot for like five hours because I'm it goes from a word doc to a real thing that you can hold in your hands. It's it's one of the coolest feelings ever. Exactly exactly see you. You know how it is to write. Yeah, and yeah, all the elements that go into it. And that wasn't even a children's book. Like I feel out a breath after hearing you describe everything you had together there. Look, you're going to be kind of scared and earie now, like I don't know, I'm not sure if I should be doing this and now, if, but I'm telling you, it's the most rewarding thing ever just to see all of your work, you know, become a work of art. Literally. Yeah, it's so, so grand, and everyone listening. If you've got a book in You, you gotta, you got to make it happen. It's so great. One of the other things that I wanted to chat about is because your love of travel and experiencing new cultures, you've I'm pulling this from your website, so the numbers may be updated here, but you've been to forty out of fifty states and thirty one countries. Yes, it's no, that's correct. Oh, yes, so, you know what, here's the other thing about me. I manage my own website. So when things in my life change, so does my website. Love it. I'm extremely I try and if nothing else, I do try to log one when experience has happened, but for the most part, I know I definitely it's up to date today, as of today, because it before it was thirty nine until I went to Wisconsin. Oh lovely. I grew up in Chicago, so frequent trips up to Wisconsin. It's a good time. I was it. I was in Chicago for my Book Fair or my book tour and, you know, for my kids rick carpet that I do, and where I was staying was an hour from wisconsint. I was like, Milwaukee is right there. I've never been to Wisconsin. I've never been to Iowa either, and so I said my next trip back to Chicago, it's I think it's like an hour from Iowa. Also, I think you might have you might have a little it. It's close for Indiana. You might have a little bit of...

...a drive, Fr know, but it's still not bad at all, like it's doable for sure. Well, still, it's still doable. It's closer than where I'm at nature. So so I had drove literally from the DC area to Chicago and then when I realize that I was an hour away, I said, Huh, with traffic, it's going to take me an hour to go to downtown Chicago. And I've been to Chicago a bunch, but I've never been to Milwaukee. I love everything about Milwaukee and I didn't even think that I would. I just wanted to go and see and so spending about four or five hours there was so nice. It's a lovely city. It's very nice, very underrated, I think, but very great. So I was one that you haven't been to. Do you know the other nine off the top of your head? All that? That whole little section really, what is it? North Dakota, South Dakota, that whole little section up there? That's really where I it's really where I have not been. I'm at thirty four out of fifty. So maybe I'll see you because that's part of part of the section I have not been to too, is the DAKOTAS, Monte Anna, Idaho, Wyoming, all of those those great playin states, and not been there at all. I have been to Seattle, though, but not an Oregon and all that, but I've not that little that little section there I have not been to. Yeah, it's a little harder out in the like northwest area, because if you go northeast it's some of these states are so close together. You can knock out several in a day and well, that's maybe a little ambitious. I'll I'd say several in one trip. You cannot. But yeah, I go in from I remember looking at this kind of recently. Someone I know recently moved to Montana. I was like I could do a visit and then maybe hit up Idaho and Wyoming to while I'm there and it it would have been a hall and then covid hit. So that got that got the light. Anyway. I would not have known it was that far. They were that far away from one another. I think it was where. I'm going to blank on the city now, but it was wherever they were staying, which maybe it was Helena or some city around there, and I think that's more on let's see, going to fail my geography Quizz I think that's more on the east side of Montana. So it's further from Idaho and Wyoming, so that would be a further drive. But I do think there is a little area where they all kind of connect, or at least are like super, super close to touching. So it's not quite the four corners in the more like southwest, but they're still close enough so you can if you don't, if you don't want to see like the biggest cities. I think you could probably still knock all three out. Okay, and another question that I always like to ask, I say it's because it's less work for me, is asking you a question that you, as you were, asked more frequently, and yours was how did you transition from the army to a government job to now being an author and social activist? First of all, people are always shocked when I tell them I'm a veteran. They're like really, yeah, we farely touched that. Yes, I am. I'm a military Brat. My Dad was did twenty three years in the army and I loved going and I was one of those I'm a daddy's girl, so I love going to pt I would run with him, probably my love of running and yeah, I don't know. He didn't want me to go into the army. I think he really wanted wanted me to go to the air force, but I wanted to go into the army and so I did and my army career was short lived, but I met a lot of great people who I am still in contact with today. I you learn. You learn a lot about resiliency and structure and I was very grateful to be able to understand what structure really meant in t and team collaboration meant when it comes to structure. That's one of my takeaways. But I think for me I already went in with with a soldier mentality because...

...my dad was a drill sergeant. So when I went to to basic I had no cares in the world. I'm just wasn't. I wasn't worried about being scared at home someone talk to me or anything, because I grew up in that house and I wasn't. He didn't talk to us like soldiers, but he set my mind right about what my expectations would be. Plus, he was a drill sergeant and here again I can see what he does, I see how he talked to soldiers, and so for me it was very easy to make that transition. I was a lifeguard, believe it or not, before I went into the military I was a lifeguard. So it was a easy transition for me from lifeguard to soldier. And when I worked in the Pediatric Clinic, it I definitely nursing and that whole field was not for me. Nothing medical, but I did take to the psycho. You know, psychology of working with children and I decided that's what I wanted to do and that's what I did. I got out and before even going federal to do government budgeting, I did behavioral health for three years, technically for but for the federal I had my own government contract for three years, and a year prior to that I did a stint, you know, like intern time or whatever, for a school in Philly for like right after I finished my psychology degree. So my my love of kids, and I'm honestly just realizing how often my career has been spent working with children to some degree that I would write a children's book. I've never put that together until I just said it just now, like wow, okay, I've been around children for a very long time. Well, I'm happy to help with the revelation. That's awesome, but you're almost off the hook here. But we always like to wrap up with the top three and for you I'd love to hear your top three favorite books and authors. Oh okay, so my top three favorite books and authors? I would say my top number one is condeliza rice and the book about herself, and I don't remember the name of that book right off hand. I probably won't remember the name of half of them. My other my other favorite author would be, I like, Eric Drone Vicki. It's another favorite author of mine. And then the third favorite author is Livy Zoe, which is my sister and a hands down she has always been a very inspiring and instrumental writer to me because she writes fiction and her fiction has always had a way of taking me away, for me to learn how to be creative and step out of the reality. So I always say like, I'm a fiction writer, so you either get the truth or you have an opportunity to be taken away, and her writing has always been able to play like a movie in my mind and I I'm fascinated by that. So those are my top three. And, by the way, that's how I became really what maybe become a social activist with Condoleeza Rice Book and her life around that. So, yeah, it isn't that just a great testament to the power of good writing and storytelling? Yes, is that? It set you on your journey. That's amazing. Yeah, I think people underestimate the power of writing. I think writing is so underrated and I love there's something also about cracking the spine of a book that's almost therapeutic. And so while, yes, audiobooks are great because you can do them on the go and you can pile more books on if you have a device, but there is nothing more gratified than something tangible that you can just crack open and just read, because your eyes get tired looking at like screens all day and it's very easy to be disturbed. But you can really just kind of melt away and fade away.

It's almost like that. Remember the old calgn commercial books that you get the opportunity to read page by page and turn those pages really have a way of just taking you away like Calbon no. I just want to curl up with a nice book. It's a great yeah, yes, yeah, I'm telling it's something very therapeutic about it because you're not holding onto a device. You're not and you don't. You need a device to either here or you had. You need a device to read. And so having a tangible book, it really does something that is so unique to you know our senses, it heightens them and then it allows your mind to think a lot differently when you're reading it, because it does it plays either introspective or it's created makes you very creative, because you have to. When you're reading a book and it's creating all of these descriptions, you have an opportunity in your mind to create what you want to see. That's the power of books. But that's why I'm such an advocate for literacy, because without it, who would we really be? I mean, I have nothing to add to that. That's fantastic and we're gonna WE'RE gonna curl up with a nice book. We're each going to grab Poe book and we great. But before that, if people want to learn more about you, pick up a copy of, let's say, all the books that you've written. Where can they find it? So I'm I'm online on all social media at I am Dr p Girle, I am Drpgu Url Ey, and that's everywhere, from Youtube to clubhouse to the wisdom APP. Now that's started to you know, facebook, instagram, and then my books are everywhere you. If you Google Dr Pamela girly, all of my books have come up, but they're on Amazon all they're available online. Working at getting them in stores now for two thousand and twenty two, but online they're available Wal Mart, Target Online, Barnes, and noble books and May and if you are overseas and you're listening to this, they are available on black well. They ship all over the UK and in even in Australia, and so just about everywhere online books are sold you can find all of my books. Love it fantastic all around. Dr Pem Growley, thank you so much for having on the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. I had thoroughly enjoyed this. You know, our just friendly, you know, unscripted conversation. It's always so refreshing. Likewise. Likewise we may script our books, but that's script our conversation. That's correct, and I barely script my books exactly. And of course we always have to end with a Corny joke, as we do. So what's it like to be an aspiring writer? You know, it's just difficult to put into words. Good after today people, good people cool things is produced in Austin, Texas. If you were a fan of this episode, go ahead and hit that follow button. That helps more people here the show. You can send me a message Joey at good people, cool thingscom thank you to all of the guests who have been on good people, cool things and check out all the old episodes via good people, cool thingscom as always, thank you for listening and have a Wonderful Day.

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