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Good People, Cool Things

Episode 18 · 1 year ago

Producing TV Shows and Budgeting Tips with Annette Silva

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Annette Silva, executive producer at Studio City Productions, knows the power of a good story. She joins the podcast to talk about producing TV shows, both traditionally and in the current all-digital landscape. She also shares how she started a budget to save money for her family – and how you can do the same – and why trust in the workplace is essential.

Welcome to good people school thing,the show Beturin conversations with centrepreneurs writers, musicians andother creatives. I'm your hoster we held Antoday's guest is film producer,Anet Silva Anet, and I go way back to our days at Bruco Karaoke, in LosAngeles, which, sadly, Bruco no longer exists, but our love for Karaoke andfor entertaining others carries on strong and it that has been up toplenty of exciting things. We're going to dive into all that in this episode,how she found a nurse in Tennessee and turned her into a Varal Star, her tipsfor budgeting and saving money, and why establishing trust with everyone youwork with is so important, we'll get into all of that. But first, if you'like to get in touch with good people, cool things reach out on twitter orfacebook at GPCT podcast. Of course you can always sent an email joey at goodpeople, cool thingscom as well all right, here's my conversation with anNette. What have you been up to over the past? What three years since sinceyou last graced my podcast with your apparance? Oh, my God, I don't even remember thelast time we spoke what I was even working on. I just know that I wasdriving on my way to work and you mapped out. I mapped out my route foryou. Yes, that was very enjoyable and I feel like I've gone on more runs lately and alwayslook at my route afterwards, using Matt my war run. I think that's what it Ithink, that's what I use and it's always it always feels like I'verun a lot more and then I look at the rout and I'm like O. I went down theblock, I felt like a marathon. I know the feeling yeah. I go throughthe same thing too, but I gosh three years since we spoke. I guess around that time I was probablygetting ready to get married. My husband and I celebrated our twoyear anniversary last month, and so we we invited our close family and friendsto Los Angeles, and we got married in a private ceremony in our living room overlooking downtown, which was magical.It was the most perfect most diy wedding ever. That sounds very, although I imagine yourswas a lot moreelegant than the parks and wreck wedding of April and Andy, which I onlybring up, because I know now of my parks and recked podcast, where theykind of decide to get married on a whim which I know was not the CASS for youto, but noit's very much like a yeah like.Let's just do it in a living room and surrounded by by theclosest family and friends, and it was, it was great, and so I like it, I like it yeah it was. It was perfect. It ReallyWelis because I'm I'm a TV producer, so I'm always behindthe camera and I've never ever wanted to be in front of the camera. I don'tlike attention. I get really shy. I start sweating. My heart starts racing,which basically was me on my wedding day the whole day, because I had fortypeople looking at me and and my husband, but I just I don't like it so I was'the least amount of people around me as possible, which was forty. That was theminimum we could do because I come. We both come from a huge family, so we had to do it that way, but it wasgreat and then two months after that we get the call my production companygets the call that we are going to be producing season tenof horders on AE. I know you know that show. Of course...

I found out on a Monday and on thatSaturday I was on a plane to Boston, to film, not one house, not two houses,but three houses of best friends who lived five miles within each other thatwere all horders and bonded over that wow. What did they hoard? Whatever horder hord everything youname? It books, Sloves, antiques, empty tied laundry detergent bottleslike old crusty batteries like band chairs that are broken, that they'reone day going to fix everything everything that's magical yeah, just like my wedding, am somethink Saday. It was a whirlwind. It was crazy, itwas it was. It was one of the biggest productions that I've done. Weinherited all the same crew, that's been on the show for years and we shot five, two, our episodes. Soeach episode we were out in the field for seven days straight filming for one episode, so it was. It was alot of work and it was like it was really exciting for me, because it wasthis big project and I was taking it on and I was producing it and but it was, but it was a little bitor sweet because I literally just gotten married and were so excited andwe went on our honeymoon and then I was like okay by I left for weeks. So it was it just. You know twothousand and eighteen was a year that I just didn't see coming in any way, butit was. It was such a big, growing and learning year for me. What would yousay? Was You your number one lesson that either the entire year or yourexperience, shooting quarters gave you, I think, just learning how to prove to people that they can trust you,when you're producing O, show you're taking care of everything. You have toappease the horders themselves, who have a serious mental condition, a crew who needs to feel like they'retaking care of they know where they're going. They know what their jobs are.Your boss, who of course, you're reporting to and then the network thathas expectations as well and I'm coming in as a producer, who's never been onthe show. Before and a lot of these people who've beenworking on the show from the network to the crew. They all have been doing itfor years and they're like who are you little twenty eight year old, littlegirl and so really was like being not just on top of it, but ahead of it andbeing organized and communicative and super transparent and friendly witheveryone to make them feel like they were in good hands, and I guess you could say of course likeyou should always be that way, but I think until you're kind of forced to gothrough it. Do you learn how important it really is, and I'm so glad it wentthe way it did. But I learned looking back on that experience that making sure people trusted in me was such an important lesson that now everyproduction I'm on, I make sure I follow the same kind of characteristics. For Myself, that'sawesome and I don't think I mean I know I certainly didn't really realize howmany people are involved in a...

...production until probably like my whenwas this. My Junior Year of college sophor junior of college when our UMTV Miami Station put on an exhibition,basketball game, a broadcast for an exhibition game, and I don't know why I was just thinkinglike I I had been to like the TV shows and like worked on that and those arepretty extensive to usually twenty to thirty people involved with that. Butthen the sort of events took that to like three times the levelwhere it's you know, people just holding onto the court of of a cameraat the cable, because it's like eighty feet and you would everyone would betripping over themselves if, if there wasn't someone just to like wringlethat in and it's really the trust element is such a importantthing, because there's so many people that need to work together and if theydon't trust the person, that's running the whole thing who can go south in ahurry, yeah yeah, it's true and every single person is important and mattersand relies on each other. Just as much but live events is a whole other beef s,you don't get to take another. Take like you miss the shot you misse theshot show moves on and your screwn at least for us like if we needed to picksomething up. If we really really needed that shot again, we could say:Okay, you know what we did. We mess that up. Can you walk back through thedoor? Again? Sorry, you know, but your live Esben. I don't know you'rewatching like a sporting event or whatever like it's. There you're movingon you're going with the flow. I've never done live events before, thankGod, that's liketress with then itself. Well, of course, with the cancellationof sports or postponement, I should say of sports they're, not canceled foreverover the past couple of months, especially around March madness, beinga big college, Basketball Fan. I was watching a lot of highlights just fromprevious years, and there was one that was see. If I can remember which game thiswas how much of a nerd am. I. It was last years game. It was virginiaanpurdue, which I believe was the elite. Eight and basically Virginia had themiss a free throw on purpose. The ball got tapped like seventy feet from thebasket, and they throw it back and a guy shoots it and makes it right at theBUZZER and the announcer. This is to tie the game and send it to theovertime and the announcer says for the win as hes shooting it andhe makes it and then he's like Oh and Virginia and he's like about to saywin's. The Game d then he's like ties the game and like every commet on thatvideo was just like boy. This moment kind of gets ruined by that announcerthere. I was just like: Oh no EAH, because yeah like you, do it's MNM. Yougot one shot and it can. I mean that's like a great moment, but it is like alittle dampered by damper. That's Ani, Werd dampened by by that cal, maybe I'll edit, that outand it's like Dan. No, you only get one shot, one opportunity mom spaghetti, so that was two thousand and eighteenand obviously it's been a year and a half since then. So what else have youbeen up to Ohboy what else? God II've been traveling a lot? That's not true at all. I don't know just sounds like the thing. The SA likebrain just went on auto pilot, like Oh yeah, t traveling a lot. I reallyhaven't. I was just looking at Instagram onthis travel post. That'swhy it said that just like working a lot and saving a lot of money, I went on amassive budget. I literally track every...

...credit card transaction and plug itinto a budget and look back and say: Oh, we shouldn't have done that o now youcan't go buy new shoes or whatever, which has been a big learningexperience, but we've actually like saved up a lot of money and paid off alot of debt which has been great and so wo. thusand. An nineteen was a littleboring because when you go a budget like that, you can't go to the movies.You can't go to forday drinks, you can't go to a weekend, get away likeyou're at home and you better love to cook at home, and you better love yourcouch, because you're going to be spending a lot of time. WatchingNetflix I mean that's a a big step. I think was there animpetis like had you bought sixteen pairs of shoes and they all came atonce and you were like okay, I need to wrangle this in, or was it mor justlike something you've always wanted to do was kind of like track. Yourbudgeting, like that, we, my husband and I we've been talkingabout it for years like okay, we really need to get finances in place. One daywe want to buy a home, we want to start his family and we know we're not there,and if we don't change our lifestyle, then we're never going to get there onthis. At this rate. So let's get serious about this. We sat down inDecember of two thousand and eighteen. We built this budget. We setlimitations for ourselves and we've been on it ever since, and we'veliterally like tens of thousands of dollars have saved because of it, andit's been hard because we can't have the social life we used to have, and wedon't shop in hole food anymore, but but it's so nice to have all thismoney that we are going to put towards our futures. So it's totally been worthit, that's fantastic. What was the most?This can either be before or after you started budging, but what's the mostfrivolous purchase that you've made, I feel like. We still sometimes makes othe lest purchases, because we feel like this is worth it like, like buying wites, to go home to Texasfor grandma's birthday or something like that's, not cheap and when you'rebuying for two that's like couple hundreds of dollars and every trip home, whether we're going toTexas or Kentucky you know, you're, looking at minimum five hundred dollarsand for us that's like Oh Geez. IGTHIS is a big expense. We weren't reallyaccounting for those have really been. I guess themost Revelas, apart from our birthdays, which of course we still splurge andspoil ourselves because we deserve it, but still not so bad though I th ht,like I think, you're still at least seeing family and spending time withpeople you, I presume Lik no, and I don't want to dound like Ilike. We had like spending problems like we would like go by Louis Vatanbags or anything like that. We e that's what I'm Pictureai do not haveexpensive taste like banana republic is the most luxurious clothes I own. So nodefinitely wasn't that it's just aduct dude, especially living in Los Angeles,like you go out for drinks with friends, all of a sudden, your you spent twohundred dollars in one night like it's just it's just crazy, yeah, Los Angeles, Oh man, that is where that's where you and Imet and yeah I mean that was also like when Iwas fresh out of college and so certainly wasn't financially savvy andwasn't making as much as I am now and every time I'd go out. I'd have like most two drinks and I'd stillget...

...a bill of like forty dollars and I'mjust thinking this manter h like there needs to be some sort of precious metalinside of this drink, for it to be worth it and the're never doo. Youyou're, like I literally bought to Miller highlighes how its just forty olar that's how theget CEU thes Miller high live, that's right where the big margins are so anyway. Saving money has been a bigone, and then I joined the cult that is Peleton. Yes, I did proud of it. I didn't get the bike, though Iactually already had a stationary bike that I've had for a couple of years,and so I joined the APP and I'm like the total holte member now, in that I follow allmy favorite instructors on instagram and when they like post about a recipethey make like. I have to make it and when I like reach a big milestone likea hundred spins, I have to post about it and I got my century ride shirt likeI'm all about it. It's I've never been a gym person, but itHonestlyi s like the instructors that I really like. They motivate me and you're listeningto music, while you're doing it and you're at home. So you don't have to goto a gym. So I've like gotten into really great shop because of it that'sawesome and it really does the instructor really does make adifference. I think I know I've been. I exploring thinks to my coworkers, don'ttell anyone. I her her log in Info the beach body, a ray of products, and myreally my only experience with it was through t twenty five with Sean t gotto give Shan Tiit shout at because he's great, but some of those instructorsare very annoying and I would trya workout and I'm just like nop, I'm notgoing to stick with this because of how annoying this isn't like. Yes, you canmute it, but then you don't really know what you're doing or anything like that,but I did come across. I don't know if you're Shits Creek Fan at all, butthere's the hit hit for, I believe, is whatit's called. I just started it a couple days ago and the trainer in that whosename I do not remember, because it is still so new. Both looks and kind of acts like Tedfrom Shits, Crek, Justin, Milligan, and it just like it makes me giggle becauseit's U I M, I'm just picturing ten leading this class and it's so deliyful. We just imagine if it was what what's his name, the mayor, Thir's Rollit, rolling shit. Imagine if that was your instructor! Oh Man. I do. I do appreciate whenpeople in the videos are more like, like I'm not in bad ship, but I'm notin great shape, and I like when the people and the videos are like that aswell. Like I don't want. Oh yeah, I don't want the biseps to be like biggerthan their heads, because I don't think that's achieving inteent. I know I agree, although sometimeswatching those super buff people is a little motivating because you're like watching their muscles and you'r likeyeah me too me too, that's try'm, at least it Defe. Itdepends on the on my chief for the day. I think sure, that's fair, of courseyou and I met doing Karaoke and have you been keeping that up or is thatsomething that got reduced? Obviously right now, not so much, but back in two thousand and nineteen wasthat something that got clipped dud to budgetary reasons or have you stillmanaged to grace the stage every once...

...in a while? No, I haven't grace to stage I sing allthe time anyway at home in the car at work. I love to sing, but I don't do it on the state as much.However, this past February, literally like oneof the last social events I went to before the pandemics was on February,twenty ninth and it was for our company's twenty fifth year anniversaryand we had a huge party in a like this pit house. Restaurant downtown La andeveryone got super dressed up and they had a caryoke bar in the bask part ofthe restaurant which, at the beginning of the night, was totally empty and theonly person singing on the microphone was the woman we en working the effect, and we havepeople woul pop back there and be like this isn't happening and leave. Butliterally at like nine thirty ten o'clock, the caryokebar became the hot spot. Everyone was in, like everyone was stuffed in thatone room when there was so much more restaurant available but Karaoke. It'ssuch a fun thing to you know experience even if you're notseeing, and so I can't remember what Song I sang thatnight, but I definitely got on the microphone and at one point I wasdancing around with the tambourine. So I got my caryote sex and it was soamazing yeah if you can throw in a prop like a Tambourina. It's not really propit's an instrument, but if you can throw in some kind of additional element like that, it makesit even better, but just such a yeah. It's such a Bix of people comingtogether with the common goal of enjoying music and it's yeah yeah. It was so fun just as magical asyour wedding. It was just actually at the wedding weall sang AAll saying, and I I after wedding, I couldn't believe it.I wasn't me that picked this. It was not planned at all, but my sister waskind of like our MC DJ of the night and she picked don't stop believing as asong for us to sing to and so Jason and I were in the middle of the living room facing each other dancing and singingat the top of our lungs t, the song and everyone was surrounding us and we wereall singing the song together and now. Every time I hear that song, I go backto that exact memory and I'm like Oh, my God that was the high of that night.It I'll never forget it and what's crazy, is that that Tong to me hasalways been like, Oh song, that the Frat boys always played at the bars inAustin. I hate this song, but having no no say in bringing it back into ourlives in that way, totally just squash that other memory. So now this is mynew memory of the song and I friakand love it again. Yeah, I think that's abetter memory than Frat Boys, an Austin of which there are many yeah. There are. So I know of recent project that youshared. I is a new sort of Don'even know. Is it just like anonline talk show I saw you had posted an interview with John Rosboi from Big Bank theory and speechlest, whichis I mean, I'm not Goingna, I'm not going to say I'm a big bank theory fanbecause I haven't really watched it, but I reallyloved speechless and thought he was great on it and obviously he's been alot of other things too, and so how did...

...how did all of this come about? I knowyou got a namedrop in it Waryo that you were a pleasure to work with Jo Ias.Like I was saying you gotto make sure people trust you, but back in the the BC. We call it BC before corona virus.We had we sumbled upon a viral video onfacebook of this nurse from Tennessee who posted a video on her facebook justfor her friends and family. Talking about how ridiculous her recent visitto the grocery store was and how everyone's freaking out and you justneed to touch your face and she slaps her face and that's the end of thevideo and it literally it's two and a half minutes long and it went freakingfiral it's at, like thirty million views now, but that weekend, when itwas just popping my boss, do was like you have to find this woman sign herand we're going to do a series about her and I'm like what and so I'mreaching out to I'm reaching out to her on all of her social media platforms. Istart reaching out to her friends on her facebook page. I'm literally, I called all of thehospitals in the area of Tennessee that she was in and I'm asking them Hi. Doyou know this nurse? Her name. Is this Havyin heard of her and they're like no?And finally, I find someone who responds to me and it's like Oh yeah. Iknow her I'll send her a note and the next day she finally gets back to meand she's like hi yeah. We could talk turns out. She got my messages, but shethought I was just a scammer. She deleted them and the next day she's, like whatever Iguess I'll take this call and if it's a scammer, then you know it wasn't thatbig of a waste of time. But she got to meet me and to- and we told her likeyou know, we're producers out in La and we make television shows and you'reamazing and you deserve tyour own show and why not partner up will send yousome equipment. We sent her go pros and microphones and whatnot and will willcall in be a google hang out. So we can direct you and set up your shot andwhatnot, and let's do more. If people like what you have to say, then we knowyou must have more to say and sure enough. Of course, she's got a lot tosay, and so the shows called nurseemile and it's on Youtube. It's youtubecomnurse Simili and we're releasing episodes. Probably every two to threetimes a week, they're still rolling out they'll be rolling out through May, andit's everything from just more rants from inside for car, where the originalone was made. There's another Amino Loa where she'seboing conspiracy theories like drinking life or whatever Amet called nurss office wher shestarts. She gives some information as a nurse on coronavirus all light hearted.Everything is totally fun right. Funny, Entertainment Sheis, definitely not adoctor Salchi and she does not claim to be, and then one of the other segments, itsjust interviews with celebrities they're not working right now, they'reat home they've got zoom. Why not call them and talk about what they're doingto pass the time WHO's the kick cook in their house and and stuff like that,and so we yeah we've interviewed Johnress Ballys from bigbank theory.We've got tons more though, and actually we have Sarah Levy, yeah Sarah Levy from Shit, creek,Lik Twila. We just interviewed her, and...

...so that's going to be in a futureepisode and then Madison, Lync, who's, Nadti and Bosh.If you watch that tons of actors, we've Booke sons of celebrity interviews, sothose will start rolling out in the next couple of weeks as well, and so wereally just taken a personality who we feel like is great on camera has apoint of view. That's unique and people like her and want to see more ofher, so we've given her a platform with a digital show. That's so cool! That's like such anawesome way of finding someone and then making something happen out of it. Haveyou found who has it? Has it been more difficult because of the current state of the world, and- andyou know not being able to do things in person or has it been pretty smoothsailing? Ohit was pretty difficult, I have tosay, am emily. I love her and she's such a joy to work with, but she wouldtotally agree with me that that first day we started filming she is. She doesnot claim herself to be a technically sabby person, and so we spent a good hour and a half justsetting up for GOPRO framing because it was like. Oh, the lighting wasn'tworking. She was like set in the wrong lit settings and the framing wasn'tright and every single time she moved the camera to show me the shot. Thenthe camera would move an it was just for me. I do so many productions wherethey're super diy and like I am not afraid to pick up a camera and shootmyself. I've shot some of our sizzle rials, oh on my own, just because youknow when you're trying to sell a show, you don't want to spend a lot of moneyon putting the pitch matbuilds together. So I'll just do it myself, and so Iknow my way around a camera annou and sound equipment enough to put togethera good product and when I'm working with someone who doesn't- and I can'tliterally physically- be there to just TAC the camera little this way forangle, an daughter help ind any I'm just all I can do is sit there on myside of the camera and wait and be patient, and we were like s aggravating thing ever and then theGopo dies and the's like okay. This is not working, and once we got throughthat first day of filming everything after that became more smooth becauseshe got the flow of things and how to set up the camera and win to pressrecord and whatnot, but yeah it was super difficult at the beginning, I waslike. I don't know how we're going to do all these episodes together. This isso hard we even talked about. Do we send someone? Do her house who's likeyounger and probably grew up with an IPHONE in their hands? So they reallyknow what they're doing, but we couldn't, because we didn't want tojeopardize anyone. Safety, we didn't want to Iyou, know intrude on herprivacy, and so it really was like a learning curve for the both of us on.How do you produce a self shot self produced digital series when you'rephysically, not together at all? Well, I'm glad you persevered because Ithink she's, a hoot and it's everything I've seen has been, has been veryentertaining so looking forward to more coming out. Yeah Yeah, definitely more coming outand this week right now may six through may twelfth is nurses week. So she weare PR firm, Allie global have been...

...working with us to book her on a ton of local news, station interviews andlocal radio station interviews, she's doing like spies interviews a day everyday, all over the country, AlbuquerqueAtlanta, Chicago San Francisco, she's everywhere. So it's been really nice to produce a show, that's getting a lot ofpress and then, in addition to that, we partnered with Nurses House Fund, whichis a nonprofit. That is helping nurses who are affected by COROTA virus andwe're literally about to hit a million dollars onation and so yeah. It's beenreally great to be able to promote that cause and be aligned with them and getthe word out about that nonprofit. That is fantastic and a great cause and I'lloverlook. The fact that I didn't hear Austin on that list of cities thatshe's one interviews in, but it's for good. Actually, I think one of them wasoften yes. Excellent glad were represented, Oh yeah and I do think, like thesouthern regions are giving her more love because they are like you're, oneO ba, that is for shore, but moving fromemily back to you, I know you love the spotlight on you. You've Seid it manytimes. Throughout this episode, I always like to ask guests a questionthat they wish they were asked more frequently and for yours it was what'syour best attribute. Oh my gosh, I thought my question was: What kind of person are you at a liveconcert? Well, all right! Let's, let's do that!Then we get. We can got! That's what I grow,I'm looking at it right now and it's not whet you bro. I probably Oh. I know what I was thinking when Iwrote that my best attribute is my sense of humor, a she laughs hysterically. I really did write that because I waslike I love that I have a sense of humor. I think I had such a great I'mvery witty and I'm smart, so I make smart jhokes. I swear that k what wasgoing through my head when I wrote that I'm pretty sure, because I think my momcomplimented me she's like you've, always just been so funny, I'm likethanks Mo. I mean that's just the only push anyoneneeds. Although now I want to hear your answer for what kind of person you arean a concert. Okay. Well, I want you to guess first,because I've already told you that I don't like the spotlight a D. I getreally shy. So what kind of person do you think? I am at a live concert wellbased ONF. That answer it would sound like you'd, be the type of person tolike hang out in the back, but I feel like at concerts. You might get sort ofthis- possessed energy and you're, trying to climb to the front and arenot opposed to like stage diving, okay, not bad. I don't go to a lot of lifewhen I was in Austin, of course, would see live music all the time, not soomuch here. But if I'm going to go to a concert, it's someone that I reallyreally loved the last concer I went to was Peter Born and John at the TergramBall Room here in La and I'm the kind of person that, because I'm I have spent money and time to see thisband, I'm going to be the first one there, the first one in line to makesure that I fost one in front of the stage not only because I love them, butalso because I'm four eleven and if I'm...

...anywhere else in the in the audience, Iwon't be able to see a thing. So I have to put in the extra time to make sure I'mnot the front then once I'm there and the concert getsstarted, I'm the kind of person at live concert. Who Does what I like to callthe noodle DANC where you're, like you know, kind of noodling around yourwhole body's moving you're, clearly into it, but you're just a little tooshy to really like put your hands up in the air. You know, and maybe I'll likemumble the words to myself a little bit, but I really like, for the most part,I've just like noodling back and forth and really into the music. I mean that that all I can picture itperfectly and it sounds simultaneously fantastic and a hundredpercent spot on so excellent. My theory with all the noodle dancers,is that we really do want to bust out and dance and really get into it, butwe're just too shy. I think that's fair. I would generallytend to agree, but I will say at Newfon glory shows, which just I mean that's aband: I've loved for more than half of my life at this point- and I still I still like- am like a twelveyear old hearing them for the first time and just like jumping aroundeverywhere, and you know people are like so sweaty and like bumping intoeach other, but it's just which normally I would hate. I likethat would be the worst thing in the world, but for whatever reason I justlike overlook it and I'm like yes, let's yell at each other's faces,because that's what's right right now, that's pretty pretty great yeah! Icould see you. I could see you doing that. In fact, I think the night we met,you were pretty much doing that it was just alone, and you were on the stage.That's true yeah. That was a at Bruco which sadly no longer exists, but yeah definitely yeah definitely goodKaraoke spot and you are probably not rock all right. Well. The other question Ilike to ask is, I always end with a top three, but why not let the guest pickwhat they want, their top three to be and again this is surely because ofyour great sense of humor, but you put the top three ways to sleep with a cat.I do not have a cat, but I know a lot of my audience. Members do, or perhapsthey have a dog and some of these steps or another pet. It doesn't have to be adoger cat. But what are your top three ways to sleep with the cat? Well, Ithink more people have cats than we realize and I think working on zoom hasrevealed all of our coworkers and colleagues and acquaintances that weget on the phone with and all of a sudden, their cat walks by in front ofthe screen on their keyboard, and I'm like. Oh, my God, I didt. I never wouldhave thought that Christine was a cat person there's a cat, so a lot ofpeople are closeted cat people, I'm not closeted. I've got an instagram for mycat, and so I'm very proud to be a catmom of two and the top three ways to sleep with a cat areone they lay in between your legs and theylove to be cuddled up in that Nice Secure area which is not fun for you,because you literally can't move unless you want to move them, which you don'twant to do because they're your baby and they're happy there. The second wayis R for them to be up closer to you by your chest, so that you can barehugthem with your arm and totally bring them in. But they've got to be likeSuper Asleep and down for whatever, because not a lot of cats like to behelp like that,...

...and the third way to sleep with a catis to just sbray im with a bottle and get him offthe bed, because he's super annoying and won't stop Mowling at you. Sometimes you have to do that and youfeel really bad, but it's important that you get your good in sleep. This are all so good. I'm sold time to get a cat. I can hearmy dog barking in the distance and ohshe is upset that she's put up duringththese episodes, but otherwise syhe'll be getting into mischrief and we cannotbe having any of that. Yeah no see cats, not as mysteriousthey love Tho caw on the Furnisher, but that's Bot as far as they go yeah.That's I mean who among us have not scratched our nails, sharpen them on aNice Nice Velvety, Sofa, hey what you gotto do right exactly well and th T. thank you so much forhopping on. It is always a joy to chat with you and if people want to reachout, if they want to follow your cats on Instagram, how can they do it? My cats are at IFT CENSUQITA oninstagram and I am a net M Solpa an for Michelle, oh excellent. I did not knowwhat the EM stood for sand now. You have educated me, and that is Imean I have not to say you haven't beforehand, but especially now, no I'mvery educated, you're, a scholar now excellent. That'swhat I'm going for and, of course, to wrap up with our corney joke. This isnot a smart joke. Actually, then you know what it it's better than most ofmy bad jokes, I shot out to Bran Watson on twitter for given me giving me thespotter for this episode. Rope walks into the only bar in town ar tendersays we don't serve ropes here. The Rope leaves dejected, but then gets anidea. Ties itself up pulls itself apart at the ends and walks back in thebartender said. What did I tell you? Aren't you a brope rope goes, I'mafraid not O that Frit today, people yeah.

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