Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 18 · 2 years ago

18: Producing TV Shows and Budgeting Tips with Annette Silva

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Annette Silva, executive producer at Studio City Productions, knows the power of a good story. She joins the podcast to talk about producing TV shows, both traditionally and in the current all-digital landscape. She also shares how she started a budget to save money for her family – and how you can do the same – and why trust in the workplace is essential.

Welcome the good people cool things, the show featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. I'm your host. We held and today's guest is film producer Annette Silva. ANETTE and I go way back to our days at Breuko Karaoke in Los Angeles, which, sadly, Bruko no longer exists, but our love for Karaoke and for entertaining others carries on strong and it that has been up to plenty of exciting things. We're going to dive into all of that in this episode. How she found a nurse and Tennessee and turned her into a viral star, her tips for budgeting and saving money and why establishing trust with everyone you work with is so important. Will get into all of that, but first, if you'd like to get in touch with good people cool things, reach out on twitter or facebook at GPCT podcast. Of course, you can always send an email joey at good people cool thingscom as well. All Right, here's my conversation with a nette. What have you been up to over the past what? Three years since since you last graced my podcast with your appearance? Oh my God, I don't even remember the last time we spoke, what I was even working on. I just know that I was driving on my way to work and you mapped out. I mapped out my route for you. Yes, that was very enjoyable and I feel like I've gone on more runs lately and always look at my route afterwards using Matt my run. I think that's what it. I think that's what I use and I it's always it always feels like I've run a lot more and then I look at the route and I'm like, Oh, I went down the block and it felt like a marathon. I know the feeling. Yeah, I go through the same thing too, but I has three years since we spoke. I guess around that time I was probably getting ready to get married. My husband and I celebrated our two year annivers three last month, and so we we invited our close family and friends to Los Angeles and we got married in a private ceremony in our living room overlooking downtown, which was magical. It was the most perfect, most diy wedding ever. That sounds very although I imagine yours was a lot more elegant than the parks and reck wedding of April and Andy, which I only bring up, because I don't know, of my parks and wrecked podcast where they kind of decided to get married on a whim, which I know was not the kiss for for you to but no, it's very much like a yeah, like let's just do it in a living room and surrounded by by the closest family and friends. And it was. It was great, and so I like it. I like it. Yeah, it was. It was perfect. It really was, because I'm I'm a TV producer, so I'm always behind the camera and I've never ever wanted to be in front of the camera. I don't like attension, I get really shy, I start sweating, my heart starts racing, which basically was me on my wedding day, the whole day, because I had forty people looking at me and I and my husband, but I just I don't like it. So I wanted the least amount of people around me as possible, which was forty. That was the minimum we could do because I come, we both come from a huge family, so we had to do it that way. But it was great. And then two months after that we get the call, my production company gets the call that we are going to be producing season ten of hoarders on any I know you know that show. Of course. I found out on a Monday and...

...on that Saturday I was on a plane to Boston to film not one house, not two houses, but three houses of best friends who lived five miles within each other that were all hoarders and bonded over that. Wow, what did they hoard? What? Every order, hordes, everything, you named it, books, flows, antiques, empty tied laundry, detergent bottles, like old, crusty batteries, like lawn chairs that are broken that there one day going to six everything, everything. That's magical. Yeah, just like my wedding, some things that. It was a whirlwind. It was crazy. It was. It was it was one of the biggest productions that I've done. We inherited all of the same crew that's been on the show for years and we shot five, two our episodes. So each episode we were out in the field for seven days straight, fill mean for one episode. So it was it was a lot of work and it was like it was really exciting for me because it was this big project and I was taking it on and I was producing it and but it was but it was a little bitter sweet because I've literally just gotten married and we're so excited and we went on our honeymoon and then I was like okay, bye and left four weeks so it was. It just, you know, two thousand and eighteen was a year that I just didn't seek coming in any way, but it was. It was such a big growing and learning year for me. What would you say was your your number one lesson that either the entire year or your experience shooting quarters gave you? I think just learning how to prove to people that they can trust you when you're producing a show. You're taking care of everything. You have to appease the hoarders themselves to have a serious mental condition, a crew who needs to feel like they're taking care of they know where they're going, they know what their jobs are, your boss, who, of course, you're reporting to, and then the network that has expectations as well, and I'm coming in as a producer who's never been on the show before, and a lot of these people who've been working on the show, from the network to the crew, they all have been doing it for years and they're like, who are you? Little Twenty eight year old little girls, and so really was like being not just on top of it but ahead of it, and being organized and communicative and super transparent and friendly with everyone to make them feel like they were in good hand. And I guess you could say of course, like you should always beat that way, but I think until you're kind of forced to go through it do you learn how important it really is. And I'm so glad it went the way it did. But I learned, looking back on that experience, that making sure people trusted in me was such an important lesson that now every production I'm on I make sure I follow the same kind of characteristics for myself. That's awesome and I don't think I mean I know. I certainly didn't really realize how many people...

...are involved in a production until probably like my one was this my junior year of college, sophmore junior of College, when our UMTV Miami Station put on an exhibition basketball game, a broadcast for an exhibition game, and I don't know why, I was just thinking like I had been to like the TV shows and like worked on that and those are pretty extensive to usually twenty to thirty people involved with that, but then the sort of events took that to like three times the level where it's, you know, people just holding onto the cord of a camera, the cable, because it's like eighty feet and you would, everyone would be tripping over themselves if, if there wasn't someone just to like wrangle that in. And it's really a the trust element is such a important thing because there's so many people that need to work together and if they don't trust the person that's running the whole thing, who can go south in a hurry. Yeah, yeah, it's true, and every single person is important and matters and relies on each other just as much. But live events as a whole other beast, because you don't get to take another take, like you miss the shot, you missed the shot, show moves on and you're screwed. At least for us, like if we needed to pick something up, if we really really needed that shot again, we could say, okay, you know what we did, we messed that up. Can you walk back through the door again? Sorry, you know, but if your live events, I don't know, you're watching like a sporting event or whatever, like it's there, you're moving on, you're going with the flow. I've never done live events before. Thank God that's dressed within itself. Well, of course, with the cancelation of Sports, or postponement, I should say, of Sports, they're not canceled forever. Over the past couple of months, especially around March madness, being a big college basketball fan, I was watching a lot of highlights just from previous years and there was one that was see if I can remember which game this was. How much of a Nerd am I? It was last year's game. It was Virginia and Perdue, which I believe was the elite eight, and basically Virginia had to miss a free throw on purpose. The ball got tapped like seventy feet from the basket and they throw it back and a guy shoots it and makes it right at the Buzzer and the announcer this is to tie the game and send it to the overtime, and the announcer says for the win, as you shooting it, and he makes it and then he's like Oh, and Virginia, and he's like about to say wins the game. Then he's like ties the game, and like every comment on that video was just like boy, this moment kind of gets ruined by that announcer there, and I was just like, oh no, cuse? Oh No, because, yeah, like you do. It's MINEM. You got one shot and it can I mean that's like a great moment, but it is like a little dampered by damper. That's, in a word, dampened by by that call. Maybe I'll edit that up and it's like an no, you only get one shot, one opportunity, mom spaghetti. So that was two thousand and eighteen and obviously it's been a year and a half since then. So what else have you been up to? Oh Boy, what else? Um God, I I've been traveling a lot. That's not true at all. I don't know, just sounds like the thing to say. That's my brain, doesn't went on auto pilot, like, Oh yeah, but travel a lot. I really haven't. I was just looking at instagrams travel post that's why I said that. Just like working a lot and saving a lot of money, I...

...went on a massive budget and literally track every credit card transaction and plug it into a budget and look back and say, Oh, we shouldn't have done that, oh now you can't go buy new shoes or whatever, which has been a big learning experience. But we've actually like saved up a lot of money and paid off a lot of debt, which has been great, and so two thousand and nineteen was a little boring because when you go on a budget like that, you can't go to the movie, you can't go to birthday drinks, you can't go to a weekend get away like you're at home and you better love to cook at home and you better love your couch because you're going to be spending a lot of time watching Netflix. I mean, that's a big step, I think. was there an impetus, like had you bought sixteen pairs of shoes and they all came at once and you were like, okay, I need to wrangle this in, or was it or just like something you've always wanted to do? was kind of like track your budgeting like that? We, my husband and I, we've been talking about it for years, like okay, we really need to get finances in place one day we want to buy a home, we want to start a family and and we know we're not there and if we don't change our lifestyle then we're never going to get there on this at this rate. So let's get serious about this. We sat down in December of two thousand and eighteen. We built this budget. We set limitations for ourselves and we've been on it ever since and we've literally like tens of thousands of dollars have saved because of it, and it's been hard because we can't have the social life we used to have and we don't shop a whole foods anymore. But but it's so nice to have all this money that we are going to put towards our futures, so it's totally been worth it. That's fantastic. What was the most this can either be before or after you started budgeting, but what's the most frivolous purchase that you've made? I feel like we still sometimes makes to the list purchases because we feel like this is worth it, like like buying flits to go home to Texas for grandma's birthday or something like. That's not cheap and when you're buying for two, that's like couple hundreds of dollars. And every trip home, whether we're going to Texas or Kentucky, you know you're looking at minimum five hundred dollars and for us that's like, oh Jeez, the big since we weren't really accounting for those. Are Really Been I guess the most frivolous, apart from our birthdays, which, of course, we still splurge and spoil ourselves because we deserve it. That's still not so bad, though. I thought, like I think, you're still at least seeing family and spending time with people. You, I presume my no, I, and I don't want to sound like I like we had like spending problems, like we would like go buy Louis Atton bags or anything like that. That's what I'm picturing. No, no, I do not have expensive tastes, like Banana Republic is the most luxurious clothes I own. So No, definitely wasn't that. It's just adds up, dude, especially living in Los Angeles, like you go out for drinks with friends, all the sudden you're you spent two hundred in one night, like it's just it's just crazy. Yeah, Los Angeles, Oh man, that is where, that's where you and I met. And Yeah, I mean that was also like when I was fresh out of college and so certainly wasn't financially savvy and wasn't making as much as I am now, and every time I'd go out, I'd have like at most two drinks and I'd still get a bill of like forty,...

...and I'm just thinking this matter. How like there needs to be some sort of precious metal inside of this drink for it to be worth it, and there never was. You're you're like, I literally bought two Miller High Life. How is this forty? That's how they get you. That's Miller high life. That's all where the big margins are. So anyway, saving money. It's been a big one. And then I joined the cult that is Peloton. Yes, I did, proud of it. I didn't get the bike, though. I actually already had a stationary bike that I've had for a couple of years, and so I joined to Apps, and I'm like the total cult member now, in that I follow all my favorite instructors on instagram and when they like, post about a recipe they make, like, I have to make it, and when I, like, reach a big milestone, like a hundred spins, I have to post about it. And I got my century ride shirt, like I'm all about it. It's I've never been a gym person, but it honestly is like the instructors that I really like. I they motivate me. And you're listening to music while you're doing it and you're at home so you don't have to go to a gym. So I've like gotten into really great shape because of it. That's awesome and it really does be instructor really does make a difference, I think. I know I've been exploring things to my co workers. Don't tell anyone her log and info, the beach body array of products and my really my only experience with it was through twenty five with Shawn T. got to give Shawn Tia shout out because he's great. But some of those instructors are very annoying and I would try a workout and I'm just like, Nope, I'm not going to stick with this because of how annoying this isn't like yes, you commute it, but then you don't really know what you're doing or anything like that. But I did come across I don't know if you're a shits creek fan at all, but there's a the hit hit for I believe, is what it's called. I just started it a couple days ago and the trainer in that, whose name I do not remember because it is still so new, both looks and kind of acts like Ted from Shits Creek Dustin Milligan and it just like it makes me giggle because it's I'm just picturing Ted leading this class and it's so delibic. Well, just imagine if it was what, what's his name? The mayor? There's Roland Rolland Shit, imagine if that was your instructor. Oh Man, I do, I do appreciate when people in the videos are more like look, I'm not in bad shape, but I'm not in great shape, and I like when the people in the videos are like that as well, like I don't want, Oh yeah, I don't want the biceps to be like bigger than their heads, because I don't think that's achieving. Yea, I know, I agree, although sometimes, watching those super buff people, it's a little motivating because you're like watching their muscles and you're like yeah, me too, me too. That's try. At least it's it depends on the on my chief for the day. I think sure, that's fair. Of course, you and I met doing Karaoke, and have you been keeping that up or is that something that got reduced? Obviously right now not so much, but back in in two thousand and nineteen, was that something that got clipped due to budgetary reasons, or if you still manage to grace the stage every once in a while. No,...

I haven't graced the stage. I sing all the time anyway, at home, in the car, at work. I love pissing, but I don't do it on the stage as much. However, this past February literally, like one of the last social events I went to before the pandemic was on February twenty nine and it was for our companies twenty five year anniversary and we had a huge party in a like this penthouse restaurant downtown La and everyone got super dressed up and they had a karaoke bar in the back part of the restaurant which, at the beginning of the night was totally empty and the only person singing on the microphone was the woman who working the affect and we have people would pop back there and be like this isn't happening and leave. But literally like thirty ten o'clock, the Karaoke bar became the hot spot. Everyone was in, like everyone was stuffed in that one room when there was so much more restaurant available. But Karaoke it's such a fun thing to you know, experience, even if you're not seeing and so I can't remember what Song I saying that night, but I definitely got on the microphone and at one point I was dancing around with the tambourine. So I got my karaoke fix and it was so amazing. Yeah, if you can throw in a prop like a tambourine is it's not rather prop, it's an instrument, but if you can throw in some kind of additional element like that, it makes it even better. But just such a yeah, it's such a mix of people coming together with the common goal of enjoying music and it's yeah, yeah, it was so fun, just as magical as your wedding. It was just actually, at the wedding we all sang. Yeah, I'll say, and I could I at the wedding I couldn't believe that I wasn't me that picked this. It was not planned at all, but my sister was kind of like our MC DJ of the night and she picked don't stop believing as a song for us to sing to, and so Jason and I were in the middle of the living room, facing each other, dancing and singing at the top of our lungs the song and everyone was surrounding us and we were all singing the song together, and now every time I hear that song I go back to that exact memory and I'm like, Oh my God, that was the high of that night. It I'll never forget it. And what's crazy is that that song to me has always been like Oh song that the Frat boys always played at the bars and Austin. I hate this song, but having no, no say in bringing it back into our lives in that way totally just squash that other memory. So now this is my new memory of the song and I freaking love it again. Yeah, I think that's a better memory than Frat boys in Austin, of which there are many. Yeah, there are. So I know a recent project that you shared I is a new sort of even know. Is it just like an online talk show? I saw you had posted an interview with John Ross Bowie from big bang theory and speechless, which is I mean, I'm not going to I'm not gonna say I'm a Big Bang theory fan because I haven't really watched it, but I really loved speechless and thought he was great on it, and obviously it's been a lot of other things too. And so how did how did...

...all of this come about? I know you got a name drop in it. Yeah, that you were a pleasure to work with, because I was like I was saying, you got to make sure people trust you. But back in the big BC, we call it BC, before coronavirus we had we stumbled upon a viral video on facebook of this nurse from Tennessee who posted a video on her facebook just for her friends and family, talking about how ridiculous her recent visit to the grocery store was and how everyone's breaking out and you just need to touch your face and she clapped her face and that's the end of the video and it literally is two and a half minutes long and it went freaking viral. It's not like thirty million views now, but that weekend and when it was just popping, my boss do was like you have to find this woman, sign her and we're going to do a series about her, and I'm like what? And so I'm reaching out to I'm reaching out to her on all of her social media platforms. I start reaching out to her friends on her facebook page. I'm literally I called all of the hospitals in the area of Tennessee that she was in and I'm asking them, hi, do you know this nurse? Her name is this? Have you heard of her? And they're like now. And finally I find someone who responds to me and is like, Oh, yeah, I know her, I'll send her a note, and the next day she finally gets back to me and she's like hi, yeah, we can talk. Turns out she got my messages but she thought I was a scammers depleted them and the next day she's like whatever, I guess I'll take this call and if it's a scammer, then you know, it wasn't that big of a waste of time. But she got to meet me and stew and we told her, like, you know, we're producers out in La and we make television shows and you're amazing and you deserve your own show and why not partner up. Will send you some equipment. We sent her go pros and microphones and whatnot, and will will call in be a google hangout so we can direct you and set up your shot and whatnot, and let's do more. If people like what you have to say, then we know you must have more to say. And sure enough, of course she's got a lot to say. And so the show is called nursimily and it's on Youtube. It's Youtubecoma nurse Emily, and we're releasing episodes probably every two to three times a week. They're still rolling out. They'll be rolling out through me and it's everything from just more rants from inside her car where the original one was made. There's another Flowna, where she's bumping conspiracy theories like drinking Lisa or whatever. Other segment called Nurses Office, where she's starts. She gives some information as a nurse on a coronavirus, all lighthearted. Everything is totally fun, light, funny entertainment. She is definitely not a doctor pouchy and she does not claim to be. And then one of the other segments is just interviews of celebrities. They're not working right now, they're at home, they've got zoom. Why not column and talk about what they're doing to pass the time. WHO's the kick cook in their house and and stuff like that. And so we yeah, we've interviewed John Russ Valley from Big Bang theory. We've got tons more, though, and actually we have Sarah Levy. Yeah, Sarah are a levy from Shit's creek, play twilight. We just interviewed her and so that's...

...going to be in a future episode, and then Madison Lynch, who's Naddie and Bosh. If you watch that, tons of actors. We booked tons of celebrity interviews, so those will start rolling out in the next couple of weeks as well. And so we've really just taken a personality who we feel like is great on camera, has a point of view that's unique and people like her and want to see more of her. So we've given her a platform with a digital show. That's so cool. That's like such an awesome way of finding someone and then making something happen out of it. Have you found Woh, has it? Has it been more difficult because of the current state of the world and and you know, not being able to do things in person, or has it been pretty smooth sailing? Oh, it was pretty difficult. I have to say, Emily, I love her and she's such a joy to work with, but she would totally agree with me that that first day we started filming, she is she does not claim herself to be a technically savvy person, and so we spent a good hour and a half just setting up for Gopro framing because it was like, oh, the lighting wasn't working. She was like set in the wrong light settings and the framing wasn't right and every single time she moved the camera to show me the shot, then the camera would move, but it was just for me. I do so many productions where they're super diy and like I am not afraid to pick up a camera and shoot myself. I've shot some of our sizzle reels all on my own just because you know, when you're trying to sell a show, you don't want to spend a lot of money on putting the pitch materials together, so I'll just do it myself. And so I know my way around a camera enough and sound equipment enough to put together a good product. And when I'm working with someone who doesn't and I can't literally physically be there to just helps the camera a little this way or angle a daughter help in any I'm just all I can do is sit there on my side of the camera and wait and be patient. And we were like what else aggravating thing ever, and then the go pro dies and then it's like, okay, this is not working. And once she got through that first day of filming, everything after that became more smooth because she got the flow of things and how to set up the camera and win to press record and whatnot. But yeah, it was super difficult. At the beginning I was like, I don't know how we're going to do all these episodes together. This is so hard. We even talked about do we send someone to her house who's like younger and probably grew up with an iphone in their hands so they really know what they're doing? But we couldn't because we didn't want to jeopardize anyone safety, we didn't want to in you know, intrude on her privacy, and so it really was like a learning curve for the both of us on how do you produce a self shot, self produced digital series when you're physically not together at all? Well, I'm glad you persevered because I think she's a hoot and it's everything I've seen it's been has been very entertaining. So looking forward to more coming out. Yeah, yeah, definitely more coming out. And this week right now, may six through me twelve, is nurses week. So she we are PR firm. Allied global have been working...

...with us to book her on a ton of local news station interviews and local radio station interviews. She's doing like five interviews a day, every day, all over the country. Albuquerquey, Atlanta, Chicago, San Francisco, she's everywhere. So it's been really nice to produce a show that's getting a lot of press. And then, in addition to that, we partnered with Nurses House Fund, which is a nonprofit that is helping nurses who are affected by coronavirus, and we're literally about to hit a million dollars donations, and so, yeah, it's been really great to be able to promote that cause and be aligned with them and get the word out about that nonprofit. That is fantastic and a great cause. And I'll overlook the fact that I didn't hear Austin on that list of cities that she's on interviews in, but it's for a good casually, I think one of them was Austin. Yes, excellent, glad we're represented. Oh Yeah, and I do think like the southern regions are giving her more love because they are like you're one of us, that is for sure. But moving from emily back to you, I know you love the spotlight on you. You've said it many times throughout this episode. I always like to ask guests a question that they wish they were asked more frequently, and for yours it was what's your best attribute? Oh my gosh, I thought my question was what kind of person are you at a live concert? Well, all right, let's let's do that. Then we get we can go what I wrote. I'm looking at it right now and it's not what you brow I probably Oh, I know what I was thinking when I wrote that. My best attribute is my sense of humor. As she laughs hysterically, I really did write that because I was like, I love that I have a sense of humor. I think I had such a great I'm very witty and I'm smart, so I make smart jokes. I swear that was what was going through my head when I wrote that. I'm pretty sure, because I think my mom complimented me. She's like, you've always just been so funny. I'm like think, mom. I mean that's just the only push anyone needs. Although now I want to hear your answer for what kind of person you are at a concert. Okay, well, I want you to guess first, because I've already told you that I don't like the spotlight. And I get really shy. So what kind of person you think I am at a live concert? Well, based off that answer, it would sound like you'd be the type of person to like hang out in the back, but I feel like a concerts you might get sort of this possessed energy and and you're trying to climb to the front and are not opposed to like stage diving. Okay, not God, I don't go to a lot of life I when I was in often, of course would see live music all the time. Not so much here. But if I'm going to go to a concert, it's someone that I really, really loved. The last concert I went to was Peter Bjorn and John at the Peagram Ball Room here in La and I'm the kind of person that, because I'm I have spent money and time to see this band, I'm going to be the first one. They're the first one in line, to make sure that I'm first one in front of the stage, not only because I love them but also because I'm for eleven and if I'm anywhere else in the in the audience,...

I won't be able to see a thing. So I have to put in the extra time to make sure I'm not the front. Then once I'm there in the concert gets started. I'm the kind of person, as live concert, who does what I like to call the noodle dance, where you're like, you know, kind of noodling around, your whole body's moving, you're clearly into it, but you're just a little too shy to really like put your hands up in the air, you know, and maybe I'll like mumble the words to myself a little bit, but I really like, for the most part, I've just like noodling back and forth and really into the music. I mean that that all. I can picture it perfectly and it sounds simultaneously fantastic and a hundred percent spawn on so excellent. My theory with all the noodle dancers is that we really do want to bust out and dance and really get into it, but we're just too shy. I think that's fair. I would generally tend to agree, but I will say at new found glory shows, which just I mean that's a band I've loved for more than half of my life at this point and I still I still like am like a twelve year old hearing them for the first time and just like jumping around everywhere and you know people are like so sweaty and like bumping into each other, but it's just it's which normally I would hate. I like, that would be the worst thing in the world, but for whatever reason I just like overlook it. It I'm like, yes, let's yell at each other's faces, because that's what's right right now. That's pretty, pretty great. I could see you. I could see you doing that. In fact, I think the night we met you were pretty much doing that. It was just alone and you were on the stage. That's true. Yeah, that was at Bruco, which sadly no longer exists, but definitely, yeah, definitely good Karaoke spot, and you are probably not wrong. All right. Well, the other question I like to ask is I always end with a top three, but why not let the guest pick what they want their top three to be? And again, this is surely because of your great sense of humor, but you put the top three ways to sleep with a cat. I do not have a cat, but I know a lot of my audience members do, or perhaps they have a dog and some of these steps or another pad. It doesn't have to be a dog or cat. But what are your top three ways to sleep with a cat? Well, I think you more people have cats and we realize, and I think working on zoom has revealed, all of our co workers and colleagues and acquaintances that we get on the phone with and all of a sudden their cat walks by in front of the screen on their keyboard and I'm like, Oh my God, I didn't I never would have thought that Christine was a cat person. There's a cat. So a lot of people are closeted cat people. I'm not closeted. I've got an instagram from my cat and so I'm very proud to be a cat mom of two. And the top three ways to sleep with a cat are. One, they lay in between your legs and they love to be cuddled up in that Nice secure area, which is not fun for you because you literally can't move unless you want to move them, which you don't want to do because they're your baby and they're happy they're the second way is for for them to be up closer to you by your chest so that you can bear hugs them with your arm and totally bring them in, but they've got to be like Super Asleep and down for whatever because not a lot of cats like to be held like that. And the Third Way to...

...sleep with a cat is to just Briam with a bottle and get them off the bed, because he's super annoying and won't stop mewing at you. And sometimes you have to do that and you feel really bad, but it's important that you get your good sleep. Those are all so good. I'm so old time to get a cat. I can hear my dog barking in the distance and upset that she's put up during these episodes, but otherwise she'LD be getting into mischief and we cannot be having any that. Yeah, no, see cats not as a genious. They love to claw on the Furnisher, but that's not as far as they go. Yeah, that's I mean, who among us have not scratched our nails sharpen them on a Nice, Nice Velvety Sofa? Hey, what you got to do right? Exactly well, and that thank you so much for hopping on. It is always a jewel way to chat with you. And if people want to reach out, if they want to follow your cats on Instagram, how can they do it? My cats are at fifth and Chiquita on Instagram and I am a net in Filba, in for Michelle, who excellent. I did not know what the M stood for. So now you have educated me, and that is I mean. I we have it, not to say you hadn't beforehand, but especially now. Now I'm very educated. You're a scholar now, excellent, that's what I'm going for. And, of course, to wrap up with our Corny joke. This is not a smart joke. Actually, you know what it it's better than most of my bad jokes. Shout out to Brian Watson on twitter for giving me, giving me this fodder for this episode. Rope walks into the only bar in town. Bartender says we don't serve ropes here. The Rope believes, dejected, but then gets an idea, ties itself up, pulls itself apart at the ends and walks back in. The bartender said, what did I tell you? Aren't you a rope? Rope goes, I'm afraid not good after it. Today people, yes,.

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