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Episode 19 · 1 year ago

Professional Organizing and Productivity Accountability with Nettie Owens

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Nettie Owens, founder of Sappari Solutions and Momentum Accountability, joins the podcast to chat about how to organize your professional and personal life, ways to maximize remote work efficiency, and why productivity accountability is so important.

Welcome the good people cool things,the poncast, featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers musiciansand other creatives. I'm your hoster, we held Anti Day's guest is NeddieOwens, founder of Supari solutions and momentum. Accountability, Nenny hasalways had an mack for working with people coordinating projects andhelping folks get things done. She's got plenty of good insights to share inthis episode from how to organize your life and workplace both personally andprofessionally, and how to be accountable with your productivity andgoal. Setting take good notes, because you're going to learn lots if you'dlike to get in touch with the show feel free to follow good people, cool thingson twitter or facebook at GPCT podcast on both platforms. You can also sign upfor my mailing less to get lots more resources. That'll help you, inwhatever cool thing, you're working on sign up for that at Bitda, Ly, forward,GPCT, signup and now here's my conversation with Neddie Owens. Can youjust give us a little background of of your story and how you got to where youare and created? Momenum? Accountability? Oh sure, so it didn'tstart out this way. I I had somebody asked recently where,like where my career began and- and I thought like what wbut I don't do. Istart when I was six and started making pipe cleaner, like butterflies that Isold on the corner in front of my house. I would say so what was the going ratefor that twenty five cents yeah an? I would sell it to the college studentsthat walked by that really needed pipe cleaner, butterflys o their dorm rooms.They probably were just like. Oh that's, O cute little girll by her stuff. Thelemonade was a little bit. You know hotter product, but Tato yeah. We justkept making that in friendship foracelets. You know that was the thing, but Yoa h really threw me for a loop.I'm like my career Gosh. I don't know when that started, but yeah, you knowalways sort of an entrepreneurial spirit and then in college I studied computer science,so that was the beginning of some direction and I came out of school and jumped into being the assistant director ofdatabase services, which sounds pretty pretty fancy for right out of college,and it was great. I have people that I managed and Iensured that I never told them how what old of I was because then they probablycouldn't glisten to being fresh out of school and all, but it was in when I moved with myhusband to from California to Maryland. That's that's really when thingsstarted going and at that point I started my business as a professionalorganizer. Everything before that certainly led tomy experience, but it was funny in the early days. Youknow people would ask me do: Did you go to school to be an organizer? No, it'snot a college degree. You know I'm going to say: that's that's new to me.If it is ye, I think. Actually, I saw somebody through Lindon that lookedlike she'd had gotten. Some college course work on organizing a and I askedher. She hasn't responded yet how that came to be because I'm oldenough in this industry to know that there was a time when there wasn't evencertification and when you wanted to be an organizer. You just said I'm anorganizer, and that was o that, like there was nothing else to it. But I read a bunch of books and- and Itried it out on my friends and family and I ended up creating the largestorganizing agency in my area, becoming the go to person for organizing challenges like if somebodyhad adhd or there were op. There was hoarding or ptst OCD, traumatic, braininjury, anything that affected a person's ability to make decisions andmaintain their space and- and so my...

...team- and I would would go out and workwith these folks- and I would train other organizers to do the same and was a pretty good, pretty good run ofthings. I really enjoyed that work and it laid the foundation for what I donow, which, a few years back, I ended up,transitioning from working with individuals in their homes to workingin a more corporate environment or with businesses, and that's really what ledto where I am today with momentum accountability. So the the overallcompany SAPAR solutions that ill exist and the focus is really onentrepreneurs and business owners and, like I know, it's kind of the best keptsecret in town, actually, the worst kept secret, because I keep talkingabout it on podcast, because there's really no difference between the workthat I was doing and the work that I im doing now. All of the skills that were needed to help somebody through a challenging situation like cording oryou know, fine solutions that work. When you have adhd or you have a brain,injury or anxiety things like that, the same th, the same skills. You know thatwe use to navigate big projects now with building a business and focus andclarity, and you know bringing the right people around you to help and allof that kind of stuff. It's like you know just a different name on it, butit's really the same the same work, and so what now I call a productivity right,because that's what you would want in businesses to be productive and and that to then lead to earning moremoney and being happier- and you know, managing your time and schedule alittle bit better awesome we'll get into all thatproductivity, and I, with kind of improve on that, because I know Icertainly need need help on that. Sometimes there's there's days whereall get to the end of it, and I was like I know I was doing stuff today,but like what I really accomplished like which I it's never never a greatway to feel. But fortunately those days are not every day and then then theremight be a bit more of a deeper problem like on there. But first I think thisis always interesting. I, what is something that you have in your housethat you that could be considered like a hoarding thing than you you're like?Why do I have this, but you don't want to get rid of it hm yeah, so I have three children there's a wholelot of stuff in my house that I would con thought you were going to say thechildren and I was just like. Oh No, there are days obut yeah. If I wereliving alone, it would look different and so that that's a reality, but thethings that are actually mine, yeah, there's definitely some stuff, I so to define it as coarding. It would haveto be in excess and preventing your daily living, and you know having ahard time letting go. So I guess, having there are some things that Iwould have a herd time, letting Toov, and certainly you know. My husband ofcourse, is like. Why are you looking at my stuff when you have these thingsover here? Like all all couples, you know, have these particular discussions? HMM wonder so confessions like fallonline worldwide, podcast confessions. I still have my blanke from when I wasa child, so that probably would fall into that category. It's Co Y. Does itstill provide you comfort, though so many many many years ago, likebefore I left for college? Now it was a tatterd mess at that point,inthe longer functional and my mom, and I made this zip up, pouchand just folded. It neatly so it's basically the stuffing of this littlepink pillow and yeah it just I know it's there. I don'tI go. You know it's just kind of a nice like connection to childhood,...

...so yeah. Those are always good thingsto have. I know I've sutly kept some things where I'm like yeah. This ischildhood like I might not use this ever and I might only look at itoccasionally, but still good Eybad, and I would you know,there's a lot of talk about Murray, Crondo and her methodology, and thingslike that stuff. That's been around for years like what you put into the bookand your TV shows every organizer on the planets. Like Oh, you know, this isall just general knowledge, but but her phrasing of spark joy right, so youknow I it there since it, since it is something that Freakins US happiness.It's not in that category of not being necessary right. So I would encourage everyone listening tothink about e. it's not really what other people think of your stuff, butcreating an environment where you feel amazing and that you love everythingaround you and and that everything to you it's not. It doesn't even have to havea purpose, but, like you said there are things that you look at and go yeah.It's at. You know that feels good to have that there that's fine, keep it nice. I like that. I like that and sogetting I onto perhaps more of a more of aneducational topic. Our favorite hapteod memories obviously were kind of a little moreback in like the hey, we're remote working. So just has your mindset kindof shifted almost back to when you were starting. I know you said it's. It'sthe same thing that you're doing tnat that you had been doing before, buthave you kind of taken a little more of like a oh? This is almost like a a oneon one sort of thing, because so many people are working alone at their homes.Well, at this point and even wrigt prior to everything, sort of shuttingdown the way it has, I already was working remotely with ninety nine point: Nine percent of myclients, so this hasn't added, really any change. The change has been that myclients weret all working remotely and so supporting them, supporting theirbusinesses and and the direction that they're going in now that they don'thave the Parti in person, clients or an office to go to, or things like thatand so supporting that way. So it really hasn't been a move to to the way things that were from me, but really supporting them, and thatshift I'm going to avoid the word pivotbecause it's been over heresin the last thre months and even I have I've used it a littlebit of myself but yeah. You know really understanding how to be effective alone in an office or notalone, like you've got your family around you or significant other or pets.You know like how does that impact the work that you're doing you know? That'sthose are good thoughts to be pondering and, and it's not just shut the door and putyour head down and work and hope that the house doesn't fall down around you.There's got to be a little bit of a plan about that. Yeah. The the pet part is a reallyinteresting one for me personally because right at the beginning of March,before everything shut down but like if you were paying close enoughattention, maybe you could tell this was coming, but I think a lot of uswere sill kind of blissfully unaware, but we adopted a dog, a second dog forthe House, and I am very interested to see how he reacts eventually down theline. If do end up going back to our offices at least like a couple times aweek, and you know we're not home all the time like, because this is prettymuch all he's known since he's been here. Is just people constantly around and it's just it's interesting like like I've beentelling people. If you want to adopt a dog, this is probably the best time todo it, but like don't just willing nealy, do it, but like if you'reseriously, considering it. This is.

This is a pretty good time to do it,because you can give them the attention that they need and I don't have children. But I imaginedogs are a little bit easier to you know they can sit in the sun and befine weres. If you just told your your kid to sit in front of a window for twohours, I don't know how that would fly it's true, but they do propose their ownchallenges. We have a dog, two cats and a Guinea pig and right they're allhappy that we're home. Although the one cat she's a bit anxious and everybodybeing in the house, all the time is messing with remote, Jo she's, likeguys, I'm I'm the most introverted introverted cat there in is you're allhere in my space all the time. So we ended up having to take her to theemergency room because she got so anxious that of everybody being aroundall the time that she was starting to have some problems, so not all of our pets. Wan US around allthe time. Yeah, that's a hidden hi, an obstacle Ihave never considered, but I've also never owned a cat. So I maybe that's alittle less surprising. It's just nodting like yes, like that' hundredpercent expected. Have you found a tool? I know zoom wishused to be a nice little KEP secret. I feel, like everyone has been on atleast one zoom call now, but if you found any kind of other tools that have proven to bereally successful for remote, working or ones that you were already usingthat now a lot more people could find value in Welli'm GOIN NA have to justgo assume like that's that was my go to before. Like you, I used it all thetime for meeting some things. I wasn't big on foxer before, but nowthat's been a nice edition. Some tools that I had suggested beforeand are equally relevant now, and maybe more so would be things like slack. Youknow for group roup conversations and project conversations, so I would saythose would be those would be my go to, but I mean certainly noticing that alot of other companies are kind of stepping up. They don't want Soom tohave all the action, and so what is it? Microsoft meeting and Google hangouts an even facebook. HasThese sidebar groups that you can jump into now? So it's been interestingactually to see, and I haven't gone through to test a lot of them, but mysuggestion is for productivity, you just the one that works right. Soif your office is all on one system, don't just say: Oh Hey, we should alltry this new thing. If you've got some tools, use them getto know them really well and and get everybody on board. Basically,it doesn't even matter what the tool is. There needs to be a plan forcommunication, so the biggest thing with remote work is just making sureeverybody's on the same page about how they get information, how theycommunicate to other people, how they share projects- and I think what thisis revealed is glaring gaps from many companies in systems and processes thatshould have been in place when they were in an office, but now that they'renot they're nonnegotiable like so they kind to scramble to put some ofthis stuff into place. The great thing is that after they willhave everything in place and they can go forward either continue with withremote work or not and when they do go back to the office.If they do it's going to be more efficient right,because they've taken they've taken the time and steps to to have those systemsand processes that are going to help with communication moving projectsalong and things like that. Absolutely I totally agree to inm usethe tool that works for you I and almost find myself. This is probablyjust my own stubbornness, but getting...

...mad. If someone invites me to somethingthat like I either am not a fan of or if it like, I got invited to think it was called blue jeans. Oh YeahEi is cool which yeah I was like. Oh, this is cool, but it was like anotherthing to download and then the APP wasn't working. So I just went inthrough the web, and I was like why can or was very much like Clinteastwood getoff my lawn. The same might have been said between my space, Frend, stir andthen facebook coming along right, but you don't see too many people using myspace and friends. Tor Anymore INS could be the next thing that takesover zoom or any of these others, but I think what we're finding is theyre different video conferencingplatforms that work for different means. You know, like I, really lovestreamyard for streaming, live onto social media platforms. I wouldn't you I know zoom does thesame thing, but I like streammard for that you know so we're going to startfinding these cop. These platforms start kind of nishing into what they'rereally good at and and there's going to be a lot of them. It's it's already happening with biggercompanies, but a lot of smallan companies are going to pop up and belike hey, try our tool, and we do this better. Whatever it is yeah I thinkthat's the the important differentiator is that sort of niching of like you,don't need to be the best at everything, but if you're the best it and one thing,there's plenty of people that'll still use it. o Yeah, I thought I mean I usedstreamarrd with you today for the first time I had never used that, and I waslike Thot was super seemless and easy, so I might be sold on it now so well,Don just one time you jus tell me to get off ro your yard on that line. Well that also opened smoothly, and Ididn't havge to download an APP so that that's all right. I like it yeah. It is a nice park. It is a nice Berkand then meanwhile, my family, who does the weeken crosswords. Apparently we can only work on skype.Like we've tried some of the other ones. Google hang out, not everyone can seeeach other Zoom II, don't know what our issue with t zoom was but again likepeople couldn't couldn't hear one another, but for whatever reason onScipe ut usually works and with two parents that are, you know, technologyusers, but not like the most adaptat technology like found the one thatworks, that's keep with the on. He use Kyis, really happy. You said that,because the were feeling a little neglected and all of them, Theyre Lid, your familis using themyeah skype- is like the og for me. Like I remember having I mean I probably hadskite back in. In fact, I I can almost pinpoint theexact year, but I'm Goinna not know it off the Tope of my head. I want to saytwo thousand and seven, maybe because I remember creating a scape account,while this is a real random fact, but while watching the NFL playoffs one year- and I astutefootball fans- might remember Darren sprolls, who was this little runningback, he's like five six, a hundred fifty pounds and he just had. He wasplaying like a crazy good game and I was like not a huge NFL fan at the time,but I had the game on because I'm like playoffs, let's get excited, and justthis short little guy was like running around and getting around everyone andscored like three touchdowns- and I was just like yes like this- is a guy who'ssmaller than I am and he's just tearing up the CN FL field, and I made a scipaccount that was called the Darren sprolls fan club and for the longesttime still like that was like my go to and then finally, I got invited to ajob interview meeting like several years later d. They were like, oh well,you skipe and I was like well. I should probably have a professional one sothat I don't just show up as the Darran Borlfan club for this job interview. So...

...they might ask you about that. It couldbe a talking point that is true or maybe they I think, they're playing thecolts fat hear. Maybe they were in Indianapolis, GultsFan and they'd immediately. Just be like wait a minute. It's a brisk I probably should havetaken, but what are the odds that they'd be Indianaplas called spans magical? Some one of the things I liketo do with the podcast is to ask a question that you wish. You were askedmore frequently and I thought yours was very good because, obviouslyaccountability, it's in the name, it's m accountability. So I and you asked why shouldn't I just usemy friend or business ca colleague for accountability. I because he bothpromised to show up it'll, be so much cheaper. What's wrong with that yeahit'll, be it typically is free. You know you just use a friend and and youall say you know we're bothgoing to hit a million dollars this year and and we're going to go to itand for the first like day or maybe two you check in and your s. You knowwhether that's a phone call or you grab foxer or you get up messenger, and yousay: Oh, Hey, you're, working on the thing, yeah, I'm working on thing. AreYou doing you thing? Okay, we're going to check in this afternoon we'll askeach other. The same questions and that truly lasts fror like a day. You knowit's just not long, not long. I haven't heard of too many that have worked outfor the positive. The other pitfall here is one of you might be moreconsistent and eager in your outreach and and eventually start feeling like Gosh. You know I'm asking the questions,but they're, not you know, they're not showing up for me, and so it gets. Itgets a little bit frustrating and then it ends up falling apart and that waskind of my own experience. I had been in business coaching programs wherethey said: Hey, grab an accountability partner and my first accountabilitypartner is kind of Dusproves, my theory, but it's okay. She and I still talk fouryears in. We still talk every single day and that's by Facebook Messenger, it'sjust a quick check in and that kind of thing. But the next partner wasn't quite as onpoint and I felt like I wasn't really getting what I needed like I felt likeI was giving a lot, but not getting what I needed and and the next onewasn't fabulous and I would try and pick people that hadsomething I wanted to learn or receive. You know in in return for the support that theywere getting, and I just really wasn't feeling like I was getting what Ineeded out of the relationship, but I kept hearing you're such a goodaccountability. Parter. Oh my gosh you're, the best accountability partnerto the point. Where kind of towards the end of that coaching program, peoplewere like Hey. Will you be my accountability partner and it struck me?I was like wait a minute, so so being an accountability partner, isn't justan innate thing. THAT'S NUMBER ONE! You know you have to be open to askingquestions digging into things and showing up consistently every singleday and the other thing is it's a service. You know that you can pay for and then you don'thave to show up like that might have been misinterpreted.You don't have to give anything back because you're investing in a servicelike this, you can just unload like fully for yourself and and and be ahundred percent yourself and either you know, be a complete nuter mess that dayor on top of the world and your accountability partner, because theydon't like they're, not expecting you to be present for them. You know theycan show up fully to you and give you...

...everything that you need in the way ofsupport, so they can also chase you down, which is something I like toregularly do with my clients, which is why they love me and hate me at thesame time. But hey you didn't you didn't check in. Are you? Okay? Are youstill alive? That's, you know, send a signal, my courier pigeon, whatever, if, if you're still alive, but thatkind of, like just solid consistency in your business, is so powerful thatyou'll find yourself going. Oh my gosh, I actually achieved my goals. Iactually did what I said. I was going to do because you know that per thatthe other side, you know H, accountability, coach is going to bethere and, and most people have a bit of a desire to perform like I did get my things done, like they're,going to want to stay up that little bit later, or maybe that extra fiveminutes to do the task that they said they were going to do and, and so youdo show up a little bit more when you know someone''s on the other end goingto check on check in on you, but this kind of a accountability. It's it'sreally specific. It's really structure and your coach should are youraccounability coach partner should know exactly what your goals are exactlywhat the pittfalls are, how you get motivated, I mean basically all thesame things that a coach needs to know and, and so great coaches also will sometimes makegreat accountability partners. Not always there are plenty of coachesthemselves that aren't consistent. They can show up for your monthlyappointment, but not necessarily in between there Aleso a lot of coaches,who don't understand why accountability isn't inate or why consistent actionisn't inate, and so they will, like, oh they'll, get frustrated, know Lik itfrustrated with their clients. Like, oh my Gosh, you know we had thisappointment and they were everyone who's listening, there's going to be an enormous part ofthis population will be like Yeh. That's me the night before I don't understand whythe night, before my clients are scrambling to get the assignments thatwe set done and they show up, half half done, half ast or not prepared and andthe reality is you need more support than that. You need somebody checkingin more frequently than once a month and most coaching programs don'tprovide that yeah. I think that's a obviously thattook me back to a college course. I was in where the first, I think it was thefirst week first or second week, we got an assignment due like the last week ofthe class, and it was a long assignment and the teacher essentially said likehey. This is going to take you a lot of time like it's a lot of research. It'sa lot of work that you're going to have to put into it. Don't wait until thelast minute- and I remember I would have weekly checking calls with my momjust about life, just because I was several states away for the first timeever and she sort of served as an accountabilitypartner. I remember telling her about this, this thing and I'm like yeah, butwe got all semester to work on it and she's like well. You better start thisweek, like you like, don't wait till the last minute and basically justechoing what the professor said, but I was checking im with her every week theprofessor every once in a while', be like all right. You know hope you'restill working on this, but mostly was just going about her lessons and notsuper checking in on that just figuring, everyone would work on it and then he,the couple of weeks before I was already done so I was just like leaningback in my chair like yeah, I'm sad and everyone else was like what what do Ido. Where do I start, and I was just like this- is why you got to have thatcond ofbility, it's true and the thing that worked about that accountability.Was You weren't number one? You didn't really ask your mom like she justshowed up and said Hey. I know you need this so that you can do a great job, soI'm just like. I just know I'm going to ask you every weekend, I'm ging tocheck in with you on it, and there was...

...nothing you were holding heraccountable to to. On the other end. You just show ut right and a and that'swhat made it. I think. That's you know what often makes it a lot more powerful, because when- and this is why I sayit's better to pay for somebody than not is when that distribution ofsupport becomes imbalanced, then that's when the relationship falls aparteither that or the reason you need an accountability partners, because you'rereally crappy at accountability and consistency. So you being somebodyelse's, isn't going to fly and then being yours isn't going to fly so youreally have to have kind of the right personality and and Bethe wertstrengths. For that to be a good relationship. There are a few that workout really really well, but the majority of the time I mean I'm sureyour listeners are going to say. Oh, I can remember when my friend and I saidwe commit to doing that, and we never did. You know like it's. Just that'sgoing to be the majority of cases, not the not the exception, yeah, I'mthinking of times right now like while we're talking like yeah, we like I saidI was going to do that with someone and we just it just fill it out so totallyagreet totally agree. So you've been doing this for quite some time now overthe years. Is there anything that surprised? You I'm sure many things, but one thingthat stands out that you're just like Huh, so just shifting in this direction waskind of a surprise. You know I just was like. Oh, you know sort of this Aha moment one morning before anetworking group that a BNI that I was attending that morning and earlymorning group you know we should have to show up at seven thirty, so I'm up and I'm getting ready and I'mlike thinking through things showers ar great time to think through thing andit hit me that was the thike. That was a really big, Aha awareness. That did surprise me and then the nextthing was when started offering that people signed on like the programfilled immediately and- and that also surprised me like Oh, I must have.I must have hit a need here. You know if people are just really readilysaying yes, but I that I think for me, that's probablyone of the biggest you know in the last in the last several years of doing that.Now, if you were to go back and ask me about what surprised me when I used todo organizing that could be an entire book but nowll Dotin anuals. Can you give oneyeah? Can you give one one interesting thing from organizing you can't teasethat in the not say? Oh My, my goodness, gracious just one! Well, you have to imagine you know asan organizer you're going through people's most personal possessions, thethings that they don't show. Anybody else write the stories that they don'ttell anybody else, the fears and the shame that they don't expose to anybodyelse, and so there's just always a lot of stuff that comes out trying to think of one. That would bemore funny than than anything else. Well, I will tell you one, that's kindof more of a warning how about that Om? I was typically pretty careful goingthrough like, and this should be, as your listeners are hearing this please,please always check the pockets of every single thing that you donate. Youknow UNZIP, look inside bags and clothing unfold open every envelope,because the amount of money that we used to find you know or dift cardschext. You know whatever jewelry always you know, we'd find this stuff inpockets and envelopes and and hidden in spaces that you thought was safe andsecure until you go to donate it and lose it. But and typically I would check all ofthose things, but this one time I...

...showed up and my client had a box readyfor me and they had taken the ceiling fan down and replaced it with a new fanand put it put the old fan in the box and just said Hey. If you could takethis to be donated, it still works. You know we just replaced it. Her are noproblem through it. In the card and think of it took it to be donated and then next day I think it was thenext day. I got a call and they said Oh, my gosh. Did you donate that? Well Yeah?You asked me to take it and because I hadn't, you know been the one to take it downor what I didn't really check it. I just you know, assumed everything wasokay for whatever reason, mostly probably because it wasconvenient and close by the fanpoles they had attached their parents.Wedding Rings, Oh wow, to the fan pools, and that was a goner. That was it. Theywere gone, not a place. I would typically think to look for somethinglike that and but, but typically I was morecareful. You know. Typically, it was like check everything Wa. You neverknow what people where people put things, but you know that that was definitelyone that was like. I wish I could have fixed that for them,but you know we entwent back to thedonation center and no luck it was all was fone but yeah. That's that's rough! That's not a place. Iwould ever expect to look for anything so especially something like that yeah.So the warning is: please don't attach important things to fanpols heare,cheap fantals. You can get depo and lows put those on not your parents, JOD yeah, Muh, lesssentimental. I'd also add the the checking the pockets rule before doinglaundry as well as someone who has washed things that should not have gonein the washer before always a good idea: Yeah Yep, the really tro. Definitelywhen you let it go out of your Houss, especially but yeah well, Nhen you're, almost off the hookhere, but we always like to end with t a top three mud. I think yours aregreat the top three steps to greater productivity yeah. I think they I'dlike to give sort of some of the antiproductivity top three and and theywould be don't push harder, don't just Bo it and don't yeah those would be a those wouldbe the biggest ones. Don't just do it. Don't just push harder becausecypically that's going to land you in not getting stuff done and frustration,tired, overwhelme, sometimes the hospital but yeah, not not the result.Tit Up. Looking for, however, a fantastic path to success isnumber one, a vision and I'm not talking about like a like. I saidbefore, like Oh my gosh, I'm gonna earn a million dollars, but really trulyseeing yourself in this future where you're successful.What does things look like? How do you feel all of that kind of stuff? So areally really clear vision of what the outcome you're going for, looks andfeels like, and you don't even have to know how you're going to do it, butjust knowing in your phones and feeling it what that sensation is when you'resuccessful, where you're going so that's number one and that's where westart everything because from there we can then dicern the action and that'snumber two of the top three that you need to take on a daily basis to get tothat vision, and it's as simple a saying what steps do I need to take today that will lead me to my vision. It can be that simple and I promise, ifyou did even just those two things, you would increase your productivity if you've scrapped everything else,every plan or agree to do your list. You know working harder, pushing longerhours all that kind of stuff. If you...

...saw your future and you simply askedyourself, how can I get there today, you would increase your predectivity,but number three is and this kind of rounds it out as a I don't know. I call them in the pastlike success, superchargeer things like that, it's just going to be a bonus tomake it even better. So number three is planning and reflecting- and thisprobably doesn't come as a surprise as an organizer right of asking you toComplan. But what I want you to do here is to be constantly in a state oflearning about, what's working and what's not working so that you don'thave to just push harder, you can say hmm today it didn't work out that I didx. So why didn't it work out? What could Ihave done differently? How can it be better next time? How can I add to mysystem so that you know this can be a better success in the future or oh, myGod, I just landed that client. That was amazing. How did I do it? What did I say? Who did I talk to? Howdid I get them on the phone? What was the difference between this phone calland the one where I wasn't successful last week, like just in this constantstate of of planning and reflecting on on the work that you're doing love it? I love it and if people wantto learn more about this, want to get in touch with you. Where can they findyou? So first I'd love to offer the listeners of resource that I've created.It's actually an Ebook and you can have it. It doesn't add youto any fancy lists or anything like that. But all you need to do is, and this Idon't know, okay, so folks that are in the United States. You can take out your cell phone andtext the word freedom to the number four UNDRE, one, three, two one freedom,four hne unde three, two one and and that will send you the e book that Iwrote called the Road Map to freedom and it walks you through nine principles that I've seen everysuccessful business have and how to implement them. For Yourself- andthat's just you know my gift to you and you know then we'll be connected.Basically, so that you can reach out to me, I won't really have a way to reachback out to you. You know beyond that, so it's just youtouching base with me when you're ready, otherwise you can connect with me onLinkdon Neddions, I'm on Facebook, N Instagram al thoughnot very much so the other two are probably a betterchoice but yeah. That's where I was starting good, Dalt. Well, Netti. Thank you somuch for taking the time to chat. It is Owsom, I'm so glad to have been on here,and it really was a fun conversation to talk to you absolutely and of course,you Goin to end with it forny joke, as is customary on this podcast of whatshould you do when you see a spaceman, I don't know park your car man tit. Okay, I do like that.

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