Good People, Cool Things
Good People, Cool Things

Episode 43 · 1 year ago

43: Real Feels, 90s One-Hit Wonders, and Bad Acting Gigs with Brad Gage

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

As an actor, host, emcee, and podcaster, Brad Gage has met a ton of interesting people — and he’s certainly one himself. He’s appeared in movies and TV shows like Timeless and Jane the Virgin and has hosted content for Hulu, Mercedes-Benz, American’s Funniest Home Videos, and more. Throughout it all, he's found a passion for having in-depth conversations and getting to know people.

That’s what Brad’s podcast Real Feels is all about. He asks guests to be vulnerable about masculinity and gender issues as they dive into who they are now and where they're hoping to go.

Other highlights include a terrible acting gig Brad once had, the power of restorative justice, and some of the best 90s one-hit wonders.

Welcome to good people, cool things, the podcast featuring conversations with entrepreneurs, writers, musicians and other creatives. I'm your host, Joey held, and today's guest is Brad Gage, who was a host, writer and MC is. Hosting credits include content for ABC, Hulu, full screen, Mercedes and Social Club TV. He also hosted the podcast explain things to me, which was one of itunes best of two thousand and fifteen podcast and he was named one of the new faces of two thousand and nineteen in the just for last comedy festival. Currently, Brad hosts the web series real feels, which focuses on masculinity and self improvement and having those conversations that we certainly need to be having. And you know what, this podcast is one of those conversations because it is covering just about everything under the Sun. We're talking about Brad's career as a host, as a podcaster, as an actor, his worst acting gig. We nerd out over drums because we've both played drums. We both love drums. They're fantastic. We're talking s one hit wonders. We're going to have a link to s playlist that Brad has talking Beatles songs. We've got so much good stuff in here. Definitely want to stick around for the entire episode, which I hope you're normally doing anyway. Let's let's not leave halfway through. This isn't like titanic, where it's a threehour show where you need an intermission in between. If you'd like to get in touch with good people cool things, you can do so a couple different ways. Feel free to send an email joey at good people cool thingscom or reach out on facebook, twitter or Instagram at GPCT podcast. And Hey, you know what, it's getting cold outside, so what that? Head over to the good people cool thing shop, which you can find right on the site. There's hoodies to keep you warm, there's hats to keep that head of yours all cozied up, all nestled with the heat. It's wonderful. And of course, there's Tshirts, wall art mugs a whole bunch of other stuff. Pour yourself some hot coco, curl up and let's listen to this conversation with Brad. I'd love for you to give everyone listening your elevator pitch, but I also want to hear the elevator that we're on while you're doing it. My Elevator Pitch for what? For you? As a personal elevator pitch? Yeah, and we're talking how many floors we talking about here? Let's say eighteen. Eighteen floors. Okay, yeah, so I'm Brad Gage and Ding. Okay, so that's the first floor. I am a host, a writer and working on being a real advocate for a type of Ding, new masculinity, and I'm doing a lot of research and doing some writings on it and making videos Ding, and so I'm going to skip all the rest of the things, but I will tell you, because I know that's going to get annoying to listen. But the rest of the way after floor for is a silent elevator. I am a guy who has for a long time probably done too many things professionally to really hone in on on things in a focused way and make big head way. I've I've done a lot of acting, I've done a lot of live comedy, I've was a musician for a little bit, I've been in some bands, so many different things, and now I'm finally at the spot where I can really make a difference, do the big work, as I call it and that big work is communicating and and working with men to open up and be vulnerable about our masculinity, and that can range from just talking about our emotions not keeping them in, to really creating a more empathetic world for relationships with women. And so I'm just learning how to do that exactly, how to how to communicate in a way that is not a shaming of men, that is not, you know, attacking men, it's more working in a collaborative sense with men, the same way that I hope men in general can work in a collaborative sense with women in general moving forward, and I think and I think now is a great time for that type of work. Absolutely was there. First of all, you know, applause to the commitment of the days. I feel like most people just bypass that element to it. Well, how what out? What other noises do people do? I mean it's elevators. They gets. It's rarely a noise, it's more just a descriptor of the type of elevator it is. Someone...

...asked for extra floors because they tend to ramble on and then gave a very succinct answer. So I guess we were on an express elevator there. Some had like glass openings. You can see everything going around you. Someone actually had an elevator in their home and so they just said they'd use that one. It you know, one story or two stories, I guess, between looking for their home. Was it the the person who started comedy central? No, but he he probably has like a firefighters pull or something. He's probably been. It's a goofy like that. Yes, yes, it was a country musician and initially had had it due to an injury and just to make it easier for herself and her dog to get around. They both had various injuries and they and you know, after recovering it's like you got an elevator in your house, you'll probably still use it sometimes, like why not? I do wonder about that, though, because I'm sure it's much slower. Oh, it's gotta be. I picture it like the I mean, I know this isn't really an elevator, it's more of like a mechanical wheelchair device. But if you are an office fan, if you remember the episode where Jack Black is like lusting after an older woman, it's like a movie within the show and she's trying to like get away on that slow, like motorized, what's the technical termle like a wheelchair, wheelchair stairrier? Yeah, yeah, I imagine it's about that speed. Like it's pretty slow. But yeah, and and the worst part of elevators is the awkward waiting. This is I believe I've told this story on a podcast before. I don't remember if it was this one, but I was in a work trip in Atlanta a couple of years ago and you know, it was like a Hilton Hotel, his standard center chain hotel, but like eight or nine floors. I am on like five or six, like somewhere in the middle. Hit the elevator. I'm waiting for a little bit and doors open up. It's crowded. I get in, I'm standing their doors closed and then I notice, Hey, we're not moving and I look and no button has been pressed and I'd like reach over and hit the lobby button and then someone in the back was like, oh, that was a good idea, and it like I had so many follow up questions of did this group all know each other and they all just got on and no one pushed it? Is it like a lot of different strangers all got on? How long had they been waiting because I assumed they weren't moving until I called the elevator and then it would go down to my floor. But like it was. It blew my mind. It's like one of my favorite elevator experiences. I mean my guess would be that they were like a top floor and elevators do kind of automatically go places. They're like set in their in their coating to go to certain places. If, you know, if nothing is pushed, and I think they probably were on the top floor. All got on, it started moving, but it is kind of funny that. Yeah, what do you like? Where you guys going? They're just there for the ride. They don't have a destination. They're just staying it out. And for that many people, because here's the thing. When you walk into a crowded elevator and you're the person right next to the panel, you always look at the panel hmm, and and then you know, oh well, maybe somebody didn't push the thing, and then you're kind of the, you know, the captain of the panel. There's no captain, there's no captain. No, and then I hopped and I said I am the captain now and I pushed it and we're now bark dot opt he's doing. I wonder how if he's he was in he was he showed up in blade runner and then I haven't seen him since. Haven't heard too much about him. It's a good homework assignment for after this we'll find out. Maybe he's a listener who knows? Yeah, hopefully, hopefully, if you are hello now. You were talking about your show real feels and said that now is a good time for it to be made. was there a certain like one specific thing we're like, okay, I got to do something about this, or as it just like the way the culture and climate in the world has been? Obviously in a pandemic year, there's high stress levels everywhere and there's a lot of a lot of stuff going on. So was it just kind of like a culmination of all of that, or can you like point to a specific moment where you were like that's it, I got to start a show about this. Well, I think you know the show has evolved a bit. When I started it, I wanted to I wanted to have kind of the opposite of small talk. I want...

...to have big talk and want to have conversation with people about what's really important to them and kind of chuck being an entertainer in La. They're most so much of podcasting and conversations are about the industry or People's story with their careers and stuff like that, and I was really like, I would love to just dive in and know people in this moment. And and so and I've I've hosted so much and and and really felt more of a calling towards an interviewed style show and I was listening to a lot of Oprah's super soil conversations. So that all culminated to me starting the podcast. But where it's evolved to and where my kind of mission has evolved to in this I believe, you know, walking into a new era of masculinity in the way that were kind of conditioning young boys around masculinity. I see that as a result of the meat to movement and this kind of shaking loose of of the roots that have, you know, grown for centuries, these beliefs of the structure of what men are supposed to be. And and it's really so. It's yeah, it's a culmination of meat too, and even Blm, just looking at systemic issues, the way that we are, it's like people are finally seeing that stuff is bigger, stuff is stuff is conditioning. We're taught things in schools that were lies or that, you know, service a certain area of the of the population or the power structure. And so I when I was kind of seeking something bigger than myself, something the purpose in my life more than just being an actor and honestly struggling actor, it was it made a lot of sense for me to dive into this, knowing where I'm from in the Midwest, kind of very I would say, just I'm a guy, a midwestern guy who's who's white and grew up in the S and was in a fraternity and I've been exposed. I've lived a bunch of different places of the country and I know men who who have not been exposed to strong women, strong female role models, and I have had a lot of us strong female role models, and so I just kind of saw this opportunity where there's a space where there aren't a lot of men talking are tackling tougher issues in gender relations, and so that's that's how I landed on this and I think it's a good time. Now I'm excited because I think that these conversations are going to be much more welcome in a post trump world. I would agree with that. Yes, and I do want to get back to the show, but I have to quickly ask of someone else who also grew up in the s and in the Midwest. Would say coincidentally enough, but there's quite a few million people in that sire's maybe nothing of a coincidence, but I was having this discussion with someone recently. Do you have a favorite one hit wonder from the sum boy, I got a lot. I got a lot of them. I do hold on because I have, I literally have a playlist of all my favorite s one hit wonders and I'm just going to just going to take a peek at it. I would say, and I'm sure this is always that thing where it's like, you know, they had other songs, but I really think there's there's a song called tomorrow by the band's silver chair. I'ven't heard silver chairs name in a hot minute. Yeah, well, as since probably the S. and then the other one would be in the just of just throw this one in there. It just one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine. It just got in there. But Tal Bachman's, she's so high love it, which is an incredible song by the son of an incredible musician, Randy Bachman, and Tal Bachman was like Canadian artist of the year, all the stuff. Never heard from again. Too Bad. Yeah, still a Banger, though. It's a Oh my God. I mean the music video was really cool. It was very whimsical. It was like a pre the woman in it was kind of a premanic Pixie Dream Girl in the music video, for she's so highs guys, look that up. You'll see. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. But anyways, good question. Nice, Nice. Yes, I enjoy both of those selections. I'll give a nod to one. I and they heard again and was like yes, this song is so good. A flagpole said up by Harvey...

Danger, which just more people probably know it as the I'm not sick, but I'm not well. So yeah, yeah, okay, because I was like I don't know, I don't know, yeah, but I know that, but I love that song. That was in probably at least three teen movies from the S or early S. Oh, absolutely, that's that's the barometer, I think, for for any kind of success for the S and S is. How many of those teen movies, like if you're in every single American pie, you're probably doing quite fine, even though those movies have their fair share of problems. Yeah, banker status. True, if you show up an in more than s movie, you gotta hit song. I think the cranberries probably hmmm, I mean I we guess the cranberries dreams maybe takes the cake for that age group. Teen S movies or coming of age s movies. That's got to be the song. Yeah, surely there's been some kind of analysis. I think there actually has been. When when, I believe her name was surely funny enough, when the lead singer of the cranberries died, I think they'd somebody did a video about how dreams was just everywhere when that came out in movies. Yeah, also, also a fantastic song. It's all, though, is a good one. I mean I I s sent a few. Will make mixes, I mean am I playlists, and my s playlist is probably my most beloved. I'm looking at it right now. There's just some there's some yeah, bangers on here. Magical. Okay, we could, we could certainly go down this road sheryll day, but I do want to get back to your fastball, live Green Day, no doubt, collective soul, sound garden, last more set seal. All right, we might need to put a link to this in in the show notes, so we'll follow up for that for sure. anyways, got him out of there, got out of this magical magical. Now you were talking about how, a post trump world, these conversations and topics are hopefully better received and people are more willing to talk and listen, which I think it's also a key element to this. I not just that's, I think, shouting. I'm going on, yes, and it's the number. That's the first part. But it is still, you know, a lot of topics and areas where people maybe aren't as comfortable chatting about it as they would be, say, s music, maybe a little harder to like, I want to use the word Pry, but kind of pride stuff out of people sometimes. So your experience as a host, I'm sure, helps with that. But what makes for a good interview in having conversations that are worth getting out there, I think if people feel seen and that they're not part of some other person's show. I think if the the best interviews are when someone is comfortable enough to share something that maybe they've never shared, but most of all, really peel back the layers, the masks, whatever you want to call it, that they usually put on when they're on camera or on mic or or just around people who they don't know that well. And so the best interviews are when it can, it can not only be comfortable and kind of casual to a certain degree, but I think what I like doing on the show is digging in and and making people kind of formulate these ideas about themselves in the world around them that it is still from them, but they're they're you know, those kind of Aha moments for yourself. You're like, wow, I'm kind of I'm really happy with the way I put together that idea. I think those are really fun. I think, you know, the interviews were people feel like they kind of made little connections and breakthroughs and and and connections with themselves. Absolutely. And then on the flip side of it, have you ever had, whether with this show or any of your hosting past, you know, past hosting experiences, have you ever had someone gets so upset that they left, or is that just something we get to see on them? Oh, yeah, I've never I am pretty good at not getting to that point. I don't. I'm not here for a Gotcha situation, I think, because that's usually what it is people. People are just they're so uncomfortable and they feel, honestly, the like. I've I've been in situations, lunches with people or meetings with people, where I felt like leaving, and it's usually because I'm there's been some rug pulled out from under me, where someone is has either not lied but as either as either kind of done a little deceit or something things are not as they seem, or or someone is being kind of unnecessarily cruel or something like that. So...

I don't I've never had that situation. And even when people are wary about the interview afterwards, which does happen where people go. I think I said too much about this and I'm worried about the way this came up, at least for me, and it's, you know, it's, you know, not journalistically the best way to go about it, but I do give people to benefit of the doubt and go hey, like, I think it was fine, but if you want to listen to it, here you go and and if you have really have a problem with it, I'll cut that out. And I think ninety nine percent of the time, and all of the shows are interviews I've done, people always end up going you know what, I'm going to just stick with what I said in the moment, because it's you know, you want to. People should want to stick to their word. If they know they're on camera, on on the mic, it it's good to. They should know what they're doing, you know. Yeah, I think that's a common issue. I've certainly run into that a few times too. We're after the fact. People are like, actually, can I not say that, and I was like, but you did. Like if it's you know, if it's something like an NDA and you like accidentally blurted something out like that, I can understand. And that did happen one time and I was like you should probably have that buttoned up a little more. But I think for the most part you should have an idea of what you can and cannot say and you know, maybe it's nerves that pop in with there, but I think if it's not, you know, anything like incriminating, then yeah, leave it in. It's more authentic and it's and it's I understand is tricky sometimes. I've had, you know, higher profile people on shows and stuff like that, and they they get worried about phrasing, which is natural. I mean, especially now we are in a we're in a time where you can, you can say one thing wrong and really get in deep shit. And and and that sort of justice has its place and and is taking, you know, picking up the slack for a criminal justice system and a systemic system of justice that is not, you know, helping the little guys and gals and so so I get that, I get I get being wary of things and and, but also what's important is to be able to look at maybe a mistaken wording or phrasing and apologize for things like that wholeheartedly. And this is actually a part of, you know, down the road, one of my big goals is is promoting this idea of restorative justice, which applies to victims of sexual assault. As well as saying the wrong thing or saying something racist or or something not empathetic to or punching down and restorative justice. It's this idea that, especially in the criminal justice world, where it's being applied, you know, more directly through different types of psychologists and therapists and case workers, stuff like that. It's it's this idea of justice where there is a collaboration between the victim and the perpetrator to find a sentence or some sort of of a, you know, end game for the relationship that serves both parties and and it's, you know, it's not necessarily like the victim saying, you know, I'm I'm the judge and jury and I think you should go to jail for thirty years for what you did to me. It's more about, okay, you you did this thing to me. You're human being. Human being can change, human beings have the right to growth. I can empathize with that. Let's look at what is fair to both of us and find a middle ground. And it's a lot more it's seen as much more satisfying kind of resolution for victims and, of course, for perpetrators, but really for victims because it's there's more control, especially in circumstances that the original crime or you know, trespass or whatever it was. The original thing, you know, did not give the victim as much control, and so it's almost, you know, handing more control to someone who kind of deserves it and that circumstance. So that's that's the idea of restorative justice and it's we're going to we're going to you're going to be hearing it. We're all going to be hearing it a lot, I think, in the next ten years as this alternative, as as the criminal justice system does shift in the wake of defund the police and and everything like that.

So it's a very cool idea, I think. I don't know what you think about that. Yeah, I feel like I've heard rare instances of something like that and it's I'm trying to think now if this is ever like I know I've seen it like in TV shows as kind of like a you know, we don't want to put someone away for, you know, fairly minor crime in the grand scheme of things, and maybe they'll come to some kind of agreement. I know I'm like positive. I've seen it in a simpsons episode comedic effect, and Yeah, I think it's a it is a very interesting alternative to, yeah, some of these like real harsh penalties that come down for people that, you know, probably probably don't deserve them in a lot of cases, and it's it's an area that I'm excited to learn more about and kind of see how it grows, like you're saying, in the next ten years, and you know, it's certainly like I think if two thousand and twenty is taught us anything, it's to like expect anything and just when you think you've you've hit the bottom or the wall, or whatever you want to call it, where there's yeah, there's there's more, there's more to come and it's not all terrible, like it's just you kind of got to look at things in different ways, and I think that's a great example of this and it kind of ties nicely into something else that I wanted to chat about, which was your previous podcast, explain things to me, which I think the title is pretty self explanatory. So my question is, what's the your favorite thing that you had explained to you? That's a great question. I mean, explain things to me. If people don't know, it's I no longer do that podcast, but it was bringing in experts and having them explain their jobs and and it was a lot of what they did and then kind of debunking myths about that job. So I mean a lot of people's favorite is the first episode and it was a more titian and, honestly, I mean it a lot of the things that were spoken about in a lot of these episodes just changed my view and did make me a mini expert, you know, and that was what was cool about it, because we kind of got to now I know a bunch of about, you know, sizemology and the big one, you know, the big earthquake that's going to hit the west coast, and I know a lot more about about mushrooms or you know, how lawyers or I mean another favorite was it just always it's just kind of funny, like it sticks in my head, like there was a we had a blood spatter analyst and I was just like, Oh, so it's not splatter, the word is spatter. That just stuck in my head. But the more Titian was great because this idea of death as something that is Ikey or we got to stay away from it and were scared of it and and and the way that we deal with death being this separate thing from life is, you know, bullshit. We have to embrace it and I I just really stuck with me. She had this idea that is illegal, but she you know, we asked her why. Caitlyn doughty was was her name? We as to how she wanted to be buried or what she wanted to be done with her body, and she said sky burial, which is when you put your body out in the woods and you let the animals and birds feast on you and then you just disintegrates over, you know, the years, you decompose. I guess that wasn't what I was thinking when I said my wow, I was expecting like getting shot into the sky or something, but that's also that's also about. That is that's what I thought was initially too, because it's like, yes, skyberry, like you shoot your ashes into the sky, it'd be like it would get on everybody, like like in the big Labowski or something. But no, apparently it's allowing the birds of the sky to be your burial. Huh, sounds I'm it. Well, to me, it's like it's like plant yourself with the tree, those tree pod things, and I think we should be able to decide legally if we want that to be done. I mean it's I think probably people are worried about sanitation or whatever, disease or something, but I think that should be an option if you want it to be. Personally, yeah, yeah, did you ever from any of the people that you talked with? Did you ever feel so passionate that you're like, maybe this could be a career, moved down the line or what? Did it never get to that? No, I mean I was, I have always been, very, very tunnel visioned about being an entertainment and so yeah, at the...

...time I was very set on acting. But I mean it, it's it's a lovely thing because it I think a lot of our listeners it helped out it. We had a lot of young listeners and we actually we had one person on twice and that was Dr Rominy Dervasula, who's a therapist, psychologist who kind of specialized in narcissism, and we had her on the show and then we had her on again and she told us the second time around that her whatever, current assistant or graduated sisters, some sort of someone who work for her, had contacted her because they heard her on our podcast. And so that's cool, but it didn't. Know, it didn't really make me rethink my path, but it definitely broaden my horizons about how incredible and how many more things there are outside of the entertainment industry, because when you're in the entertainment industry. You you drink the cool aid, you kind of think that you're the most important thing and city in the world and that's not really true. Yeah, it's amazing, and this show has taught me the same thing of like how many different career paths there are out there and if you can dream of something, then it's I mean, tens of thousands of people are probably doing it already. But yeah, there you can. You can always find a niche somewhere where you're kind of the unique creative one out of however many people there are. But just like and even just like some of the side hobbies that people have is always so fascinating to me, and I'm sure and quarantine life people have picked up even more. And I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't ask him. You picked up any quarantine hobbies? Um, I mean it's it's it's a pretty basic one, but it is something that I've I have not really committed to my entire adult life and that's working out nice. Like I finally didn't have an excuse, and so up until, you know, the past month when I was moving, I was working out four to five times a week for the first time in my life since high school, and so that that was the new thing. That and developing real feels just kind of became the thrust of my days. But yeah, it's it's not cool. It's not I mean, I have other things I like to do that are fun, like playing drums. I know you are you a guitarist? Yes, and so, yeah, like playing music when I can, and I'm going to set up my drum set in the new place here, which is going to be fucking awesome. But and so that'll be you know, quarantines. That over, so I think that'll be my my next quarantine thing is taking drums back up. But yeah, nothing, not like I mean, I guess cooking a little bit more, but I was already doing that. So yeah, nothing. No baking bread for me, just baking my body. That's it. Yeah, I feel like the bread making was a real, real hot item and March, in April and then it just fell off a cliff. But you know, could I did? I didn't go down that rout either, but Kudos to everyone who did. And I think drums are a terrific just like a stress relief. It look way more than playing guitar is, but I mean any, any kind of music, is fantastic and highly recommend anyone who's been thinking about it do it. Do it. It's so fun so funny. There's never been a better time to the really hasn't. Yeah, and yeah, I actually grew up playing, I say playing very loose air quotes here, of playing drums. My Mom bought me a snare drum and then we just progressively, like every Christmas or birthday, would add a piece to it and then recently she was like you're not playing these, like their tag up space in the house. I'm going to sell them. I'm like car right, I guess that's fine, but I was I was kind of getting the itch a few weeks ago and I'm like, how far did you get with the adding to your set? Did you get to like wood block Glockenspiel Gong kind? I didn't. I did have a Cowbell, which was was a like, you know, that had to be after seeing the SNL bit of Huh, needs more cowbell? I think that that really solidified it. I was kind of on the fence and then I'm like no, Cow Bos too much fun. I have to have that. But it was pretty size. Well, let's see if I definitely. There was a bass drum and two TOM's. I don't think I got to a floor Tom but I had right sembal high hat crash to Tom's, over the over the base, over the kick. You to no floor. How many symbols we talk in this and I'm sorry, folks, when drummers get together, this is how many symbols we talk in here. We had. We had the high hat ride and a crash.

That's all you need. And then an important question. You got the cow bell. Where was the placement on that one? Mine was attached to the kick drum, so it was kind of above my right knee. was might where my cow bell was placed. That was I believe that's where mine was to. I can't remember if it was to the kick or the the snare. Had like a little clothing that I was able to hang it onto too. I think I started that at first and then I was like no, it's more secure over the kick because, yeah, I think you need it. You needed an easy, accessible place. You don't want to be like ringing all over, because I'm assuming you're probably hitting a cowbell several times in succession. If you're using it, you're not going to just give it like a one right, one, smash. So and I'm when you got it on the snare, then then you're at almost making you're hitting the snare at the same time, relatively, you're in the cowbell. If it's mounted on a snare, you will create the snare type sound, which is not what you want. You want to clean cowbell sound. So that makes sense. But you you you trouble shot it and you figured it out and you know that sounds great. I wish I could go back and, you know, jam to drummer style with you back back in the day. How young we talking about? I think I was thirteen. Yeah, when I started thirteen and and kind of just grew it throughout high school and then, as we've discussed, we both went to school at Miami, so I was out of the Midwest and then I lived in La for a couple of years and now in Austin. So have not been a full time resident of Chicago in about, Oh goodness, fourteen, fifteen years now. So the drums were just collecting dust, but I I'd like to think at least my parents would rock out on them a couple times a year, even though that's certainly was not the case. Yeah, what a make grow they just growled at it and thought about how much better it would be if it wasn't there. But are sweet people, I'm sure, and we're like, well, they are joey's and maybe he'll want them or something like that. That's that's very sweet of them. Yeah, they held onto them for much longer than was required and I would have expected. So I sold my original kit for gas money to drum. I've to Los Angeles. That was a wow. It's my kind of classic story. Did it get you there? Did you have? Did you like Peter out along the way get gas money? Wise, I think it was probably enough. I probably enough. That would have been extra devastating, I think. If you that's that was all the money I had. I mean after going to school at Miami, I wouldn't be surprised. I'm very excited about this possible student loan debt forgiven this situation under Biden, because eleven years later, brand he's got some still got some debt and they're still asking for support for current state. God, yes, I don't. I. They don't call me anymore. I I. I pleasantly told them off enough times. Yeah, maybe I just need to do it a little more. I feel like I'll still get the calls every once in a while. Certainly was getting a few texts during election season and I still maybe, maybe this decade will be the one where there's a way to inform people that you've already voted so that they take you off the list of like Hey, who you're going to vote for? I'm like, well, it's already happened, so please, I don't need a text right now. Yeah, I mean, as I I've done some calling, I've done a little bit of calling. Did for Lizzie Warren, did some calling and during the primary, and it's definitely you get. You reach some people who are like please take me off the list. You've called five times and I'm like, I'm so sorry. It's very easy for the people running those things, the texting and the calling, to to fuck it up and to not mark you correctly. So now, being on both sides of it, I do empathize. But yeah, I'd be good, it'd be good to opt out quicker. Yeah, I think I'm fine with like, I'm never gonna blame a color text for it, but yeah, I think it's just like when it's when you've already voted. I'm like, well, there's nothing, like nothing you can say would sway me because it's already happened. So why you didn't vote three, four times? Was I supposed to? Well, I mean you can, I mean Democrats can. I know they that. That's true. Why I blew it. So my apologies to my low fellow voters out here. I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah, we're apparently allowed, allowed to...

...vote multiple times. This is what I hear now. Something that I like to ask musicians, and you have the benefit, I guess, of having both music and acting experience. You can pick your poison here, but I always like to hear what's one of the worst gigs you've had acting for sure, because I have, of had much, much less music gigs. Worst Acting GIG was. This was incredible. Back when I was a non union actor. This was my last non union thing I ever did because it it just totally just pissed me off so much. And Actors beware, if you're, you know, signing up for non union gigs, they can really just do whatever they want and screw around and change the rules of what's happening. But basically I auditioned and had been cast as one of the supporting, you know, characters in a feature film that was going to be shot very quickly, over the course of three days at this big mansion up in the Hollywood hills. Actually maybe it was Brentwood, and so very exciting and it was non union. So it's just like well, you know whatever, I have a bunch of scenes and they'll be really good for my acting reel. And so it's one of those things where there's not a lot of details, but they're like meet here at, you know, nine am and bring three changes of clothes and we'll figure it out. So I park on the side of the road, meeting a parking lot, and then there's these there's like a van and like okay, so this kind of professional there's like a minivan that's driving us up to the location at this at this mansion, and I'm meeting, you know, you talked with your fellow actors and stuff like that, and you see somebody you know and that's cool, and there's all these extras. It's a really big production and slowly you're once we get the location, there's very little food, but you're like okay, that kind of happens, and then slowly you're just waiting and then you're in holding your waiting and the hours tick by and I'm getting paid, I think, maybe to fifty for three days like nothing, but it's it was a good opportunity. I read the script and I met the riders on set by meeting all these people and we're just not shooting, not shooting, not shooting, and we end up not shooting at all all day and there's like a hundred people there and they apologize and they go we'll make it up tomorrow. So I come the next day and they say that we shoot one scene of mine, they shoot a couple more other scenes and they say, okay, we're running out of time, change of plans. We're going to turn this we're going to shoot a derrito's crash the super bowl commercial with the rest of our time at the house. And so so then they start doling out rolls ran at random and then they go, okay, you know you'll be on camera for sure if you want to jump in the pool, and I'm like, I guess. So I jump in the pool. I don't even have a swim Trun I just jump in the pool in my underwear and there they somehow they have like a big Dorito suit and I'm like, wait a second, they literally this wasn't this one isn't supposed to be a film shoot. They are a completely fucked production. That is just was like back pocket we're in just kind of this idea that, oh, we're going to make a crash the super bowl commercial. And then I didn't go the last day and made them pay me my two hundred and fifty. But it was one of the circumstances where these are two these were two twelve hour days where I shot one scene and then and then she jumped into a pool in front of a guy in Adrito's costume, after the promise of being like this kind of supporting role in this indie comedy and it was it was so disheartening and so disappointing. You know, it was just it was just very funny. It's like, okay, and if you guys don't know what crash the Super Bowl commercials are, they're kind of this thing that everybody does when they're non union, because it's there. You know, there's a promise of a million dollar deal if they pick your commercial, but it's like the most lowbrow, kind of crappy thing to do as a upandcoming actor, creator and and so that was among the worst gigs. I mean there's worse ones where you're not getting paid and everything's awful, but that one was egregious in particular. Did I'm assuming the answer is no, because I don't recall seeing a commercial like this. But was this picked as a winner for one of the Super Bowls? I mean, not only was it not picked, I don't think they even finished it. I don't think they finished it. I never they sent me. They couldn't send me the...

...commercial. They sent me the shot that I was in in case I want to use that in my reel, which I had to beg someone for, and it's you know, but you can't use no lines and jumping into pool like that's not even worth while. But when you're up and when you're starting out, you need anything on camera. And I was like, I guess I'll take it. But yeah, it was and then they're not feeding you. I mean it's just it is a very it's a tough it's a of course everybody knows that being an actors tough, but it's a really deceptive industry because it just does use people and makes forces people who don't have money to work for free four years with the promise of maybe some exposure and of course those those, you know, Dream Scenarios Work and and happen and people are discovered. But there is a as my friend Evan Watkins says, there is a kind of slight of hand. There's a magic that that La has that has kind of gone away with Covid that I think people are starting to see a little bit, me included, although I hope I don't sound too cynical about it, because I've had a lovely time, but it's it's just interesting to see it after, you know, my experiences ten years in the business. Yeah, and I think too from again, this is from much less involved space, but just, you know, conversations with friends and and kind of seeing it as like a fly on the wall. Sometimes it's the slight hand is a good way to put it. Like it's the particular way someone will phrase something where it's like Oh, technically, like I didn't say anything, that's not true. It's just like, you know, you obviously take it another way and it's just yeah, it's a lot of a lot of shenanigans, to put it mildly, and taking advantage which, like, I have also had people work for me for free, but it's when I'm working for free to I mean like there's a reasonable again collaboration, there's there's a there's a point where you can be honest with people and gives you know, state your piece and not have to trick people to work with you. And that, you know, it goes for dating to not having to trick people, but it's yeah, it's just one of those things that you become aware of the more experiences you have with it. But but yeah, it's that was the that was the one and I said I'm going to join the Union somehow and never do this again, and I did and it was union work is much better. That's why I'm glad it's spurred action, even if it was terrible in the moment, and a great story. I enjoyed that very much. Thank you, and we'll move from non unionto a similar topic. I think of a musical group that has struggled, really didn't see a lot of success in their heyday, which is the Beatles, and this is a question that I also like to ask all of my guesses. What's a question you wish you were asked more frequently? And you, I know I read this recently, of how many songs the Beatles have put out ever, but what is your favorite one out of the I don't know to it's like two hundred, something like two hundred thirty or so songs the Beatles have done. What is number one favorite on Brad's list? So what's cool is I just did a big drive, big long, several day drive, and I just decided I could listen to a booker, a podcast, but I'm just going to start with the I have a playlist of the Beatles that's all their music in chronological order, and I'm just going to listen to him without skipping any songs, which I normally do, because they have a lot of a lot of shitty songs and their earlier album and so I just pushed through and I've been a Beatles fan the my earliest memory as a human was watching the movie help and and so my if I were to pick one favorite beatle song, it would be from help and it's it's it's one that people don't talk about as much but I think is worthy and a beautiful song. And it's the song I need you by George Harrison. It Nice. And so even though technically I think while George Harrison is part of the Beatles, picking a George Song as a favorite Beatles Song I don't think counts as much because the Beatles, the heart and soul the Beatles is the lenn McCartney thing. But the song that I think about the most or that I like to sing the most is I need you, and and so that's if I could only listen to one more Beatles song ever again, that would be that very nice, very nice. Yeah, I think George is certainly less revered among the group, but I mean certainly a step of a ringo still. So He's there's letter...

McCartney very high up. George arsons like can make is incredible. And also, I think people don't quite talk about it enough. When they talked about the Beatles and listening to the early tracks George his Solos are really well done. He's a he. I mean he composed those Solos and almost every song and so he he's the quiet beatle and he's very sweet and all of that, but he was a hell of a guitarist and you know, people talk about Paul's Bass and John Songwriting and all that stuff. But George's ask he's good, good guitarist, that you can write some great stuff, for sure. Well bred. You are almost off the hook, but we always like to wrap up with the top three and I also usually like to to let you choose. And I as a cheese AFICIONADO. Why say that? Like I know a lot about cheeseus I just enjoy eating them. But you specifically call that Vegan cheese. Is So. What are your top three? Vegan cheese is so when I when I think about the the so, I grew up in Wisconsin, America's dairy land. Cheese is my favorite food my whole life. My parents, to quiet me down as a kid, would give me a slice of, you know, craft American in my hand. That was how I grew up and made the switch about five years ago to go, you know, cut dairy out for multiple reasons, but one of them being that, you know, the discovery that we technically aren't supposed to be ingesting dairy. It's meant for baby cows and out for humans. And so I stopped. I lost ten pounds after like a month of not eating dairy and then had to kind of figure out a replacement and the best thing about the easiest way to kind of get more, you know, Vegan leaning lifestyle is to replace your favorite foods. And so slowly I found these favorites, and so my top three. My number three is a sliced cheese called Chow Cho, and that was my kind of gateway cheese because it tasted so close to real and so the chow kind of slice cheese you can find that in most grocery stores, would be my number three. My number two would be a cream cheese like a it's actually a pub cheese, and that's a Miyoko's Roadhouse Cheddar, and that's the closest. It tastes incredible with the cracker. It's a type of thing that I grew up eating, you know, pup cheese out of out of a plastic container on a Ritz. So mioko's is a great vegan dairy company. And then number one is a local la place called misha's, and that would be misha's locks or Misha's sorry s Ari, and they're both cream cheeses that work for crackers or for bagels or for toast, Avocado Toast. Those would be my top three and and and you know, if anybody scoffing at the idea of a vegan cheese that they could never stop eating cheese again. I grew up on it and I've just feel so much better. My body feels better, my stomach feels better and it's worth at least trying some of these because the technology behind, just the food technology behind some of these vegan options are really incredible and just playing healthier. So those are my top three fantastic I I don't think I've explored vegan cheese very much, but I think I can. I agree with the how you feel better. I've cut out cow's milk and and yeah, it's a similar sort of like. I don't think we realized how bad a lot of things we grew up on our growing up just because, you know, there wasn't science around it and there weren't as much people researching alternatives and things like that. But it is pretty spectacular to see what has already been created as alternatives, as substitutes, and what's coming on the horizon, because I am I feel like every month I'm just like they did what with what like super impressive well, what kind of milk we talking about. What was your replacement? Almond? Yeah, I typically go with almond. I've dabbled with oat and soy as well. I did try P milk for the first time recently, yeah, which was pretty good. I reason fuddle. Try to Macadamia. It's called milk a Damia. Great, great name. All right, all right, I might need to that as a great name and I do reward great...

...names for at least trying them. Let's see if they they can knock allmond off of the list, but that'll be that'll be an update for next time, please. Yes, I mean here's a top three best melts. There's enough alternative milks out there that you can have a top three. But it's true, and probably by by this time next or we can get maybe even do a top ten, at least a top five, I I would believe. I think the milk technology it's it's moving rapidly. It's a rapid thing. Excellent. I'm very reconnect with the vaccine, I think. Well, Brad, thank you so much for hopping on and chatting. This was great. We covered I think, maybe the most extensive net that any guests has ever had on here. So very appreciative of that if people want to learn more about you, if they want to check out an episode of real feels, where can they find you? They can go to real feelscom. That's our Al Felscom. Should find everything else but real feels on Instagram, twitter, Youtube, but you can just go to real feelscom and it'll it'll get you where you need to go. That's that's all any of us can ask for. It awesome. Well, of course, we'll also end with a bad joke, as we always do, and I'll leave I even made it cheese themed, based on the top. Oh cool, but I actually have an addiction to cheddar cheese, but thankfully it's only a mild one. Good after it today. People lovely. I love cheese and cheesy jokes.

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